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A clash of titans
Apart from the so-called ‘counter-insurgency war’ that’s will be waged on Singapore blogosphere, a different kind of war is emerging elsewhere. There has been quite a war of words between AP Lee Weiling and Mr Philip Yeo, and this war is interesting because it pits a member of the the Lee family against a top civil servant. In other words, it’s a clash of the titans.
I am no expert in the biomedical sciences, but from the little that I gather through my own research and readings, I think that both AP Lee and Mr Yeo are both correct given their individual perspectives. The problem really is, where do we want go?
From Mr Yeo’s perspective, the economy is paramount. He was tasked with the job of building up another pillar of Singapore’s economy to keep the economy going strong, especially when we are losing competitive in areas like electronics. It is therefore not surprising that Mr Yeo’s strategy is to focus on the bottomline. Singapore’s been extremely successful at luring big pharmaceuticals to come into Singapore, and over the next few years, we can expect more jobs to be created and more contributions to the economy by the pharmaceuticals sector.
Also, when I look at the kinds of brand name researchers that has been headhunted by A*Star, I cannot help but think that economics was one of the main reason these researchers were picked to be courted to come to Singapore. The top researchers in the fields of heart, cancer and stem cell research were very agressively courted. It doesn’t take a genius to figure out that products generated from these research are potentially lucrative, especially when the patients who require and can afford drugs/pharmaceutical products for these areas are likely to be in first world countries.
This is perhaps the sticking point with AP Lee. She thinks that it is very weird for Singapore to venture into these areas when we do not have natural advantage in doing research in these areas. For example, she pointed out that 5% of ethnic Chinese Singaporeans are Hepatitis B carriers. This would make Singapore an excellent area for research on hepatitis. She is also of the opinion that since Singapore is predominantly Asian, it would make more sense to research diseases that seem to affect Asians more, for the simple reason that the pool of research subjects is plentiful here.
From a scientific perspective, her logic is not flawed. In fact, there’s nothing to argue about. The problem is, promotion of the biomedical sciences research in Singapore was not because of a true desire for doing research for the better good of society, but rather, it was driven by economic necessity. From an economics point of view, it is a no brainer to pick between say, Hepatitis B research and heart disease research. It is definitely more potentially lucrative to do heart disease research because the places with highest incidences of heart diseases are generally developed countries, and more importantly, the people can afford expensive drugs. In contrast, places with low prevalence of hepatitis B are most of North America, Australia and most of Western Europe.
As far as the clash goes, I don’t foresee AP Lee being able to win the battle. Biomedical sciences in Singapore is more for economic gain than true research. From the perspective of a researcher, this is indeed sad but unfortunately, this is Singapore, where pragmatism rules.
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about 3 years ago
In this instance i must say that philip has the stronger case. unfortunately i haven thought out the nitty gritty details, but the bottom line is that research is not something where u can get increasing returns to scale just by throwing more resources into a certain area. If singapore is aiming to become a research hub (its that hub word again), then its better to put what little eggs we have in many baskets. Scientific Breakthroughs do not come out immediately or perhaps even longer i believe so its better to diversify. However i think the two parties can somehow come to a middle ground…and will try to think of it as soon as i can.
about 3 years ago
this is singapore, where pragmatism ruleS.
=)
about 3 years ago
Aaron,
I think many people will want to know more abt this issue. The MSM is certainly keeping mum abt it.
about 3 years ago
Biomedical science is a knowledge base sector and it is self apparent that this sector is naturally the best bet for singapore to sustain long term economic growth.
However, by bringing in top notch researchers into our country is only step #1. The more important issue is how to make these researchers pass on 100% of their know-how to fellow singaporeans so that Singapore can create a pool of local scientists with similiar capacity and capability in near future. In this aspect, Singapore can actually learn from China. Bring in foreign investment and make knowledge-transfer and joint venture compulsory.
Then again, research is something that needs a lot of passion and persistence. By giving attractive renumeration, scholarships and having all those cutting edge research facilities may not be suffice to create research passion among a good volume of singaprean to bring the biomedical dream to next level.
The singapore education system is just not conducive to create that…..wonder how many of them would call it quit as these people have been grade A students all the while and may simply choose to give up because they are not used to failure after a few years of attempt….
Would the gahmen be patient enuff to wait and give ample time for those who dare to fail and are persistent…Thomas Edison tried 2000 experiments before he successfully invented the light bulb. What if we have a Thomas Edison who tried 1000 times and Philip Yeo loss his patience and give him the sack
wonder how many local scientists would develop the “Derek Wee Syndrome” if they have yet to show result when they reach 35….
just ranting….gotta go for meeting
about 3 years ago
Hello, dont expect the msm to write or even do an exclusive on this, by the time you hear it from the foreign press you already know this is an old spat.
Personally I feel this bio tech thing is a very big mistake. However, unless someone seriously writes in detail abt it and shed more light into the industry and what are the pitfalls, how are we the little people supposed to even think.
Anyway whatever it is, Aaron I feel has done a very good job.
about 3 years ago
Stark,
I think there is a place for middle ground, but perhaps not yet. Given the limited pie (assuming that no more funds will be released to stimulate growth in the area), a choice will have to be made. However, when the biomedical industries start churning out alot of profits, some of these money can be pump into doing other research. I’ll elaborate more on why I think it is important to do research on the less profitable diseases in another entry.
about 3 years ago
grammarchecker,
Thanks for pointing it out. For some weird reason, I seem to keep missing out simple things like this when I edit my own writings.
about 3 years ago
Shanghai-hood,
I like your Edison analogy. I really do wonder how many people actually have stamina to perservere in the face of failures, especially when Singapore society in general has little sympathy for those who fail.
about 3 years ago
But think again. Singapore is a country ruled by pragmatism. And let me use a sweeping statement, but i do believe that politicians are short-sighted.
Why the importing of talent and people from all corners of the world? Philip Yeo’s aim – namely, that of economic gain, would be the driving force behind it. Unfortunately, the golden surname of Lee probably cannot exchange for money here.
As such, if things go the way they are now, i don’t think research will take off here.
Second, although the education system has been oriented towards creative thinking, little is being done to encourage students to be brave and take a big step. Instead, the herd mentality still rules…people who don’t conform are oddballs.
I’m studying the Arts in Germany now and i have received two types of comments – from there, perhaps it will be clear what i am getting at:
1. Arts? in Germany? It’s so difficult. And its useless. You won’t be able to make money next time.
Pragmatic? Extremely. But i’ll be damned if i have to sit in front of science experiments all day.
2. Wow…you are very brave. I wish i had your guts.
‘Nuff Said!
about 3 years ago
Don’t know about you guys but I think there is more to Lee Wei Ling’s recent high profile public appearance than in seems.
First is the sale of organs, then this Biomedical tussle. In my opinion, the latter wayang is to garner public trust and confidence in her so that people will be more receptive to her highly controversial organ sale proposal. After, it is in the blood.
You’ve guessed it, I am against organ sale and I will not buy one either.
My two cents worth.
about 3 years ago
Handsomeme,
I think you are bordering on defamation here. If you do not know about the AcidFlask incident, I suggest you read it up. Mr Yeo doesn’t really take such things lightly. As such, I am removing your comment from this blog entry to pre-empt anything from happening to you.
You may have a point that foreign talents are unlikely to stay for the long term, but I don’t see how some of your statements would prove your point. I hope you would kindly refrain from making personal attacks in future.
about 3 years ago
haha aaron, we don’t even see the comment…
about 3 years ago
Of course not la! I’m not afraid of getting into trouble because I’ve stated my comments policy very clearly, but that guy could be in hot soup man.
about 3 years ago
Aaron,
You’ve also amended your reply to Handsomeme (deleted quote)
Very thoughtful
about 3 years ago
Hi… Thanks for writing on this issue. I just wanted to hear it being discussed, since I am also personally invested in this issue.
My take on it, is that I am more inclined to go with Phillip Yeo (my gosh I thought I’ll never ever hear myself say that). Most scientists will tell you, that really at the end of the day, it’s all about luck. When everyone around you is equally smart, and equally hardworking, it really boils down to luck whether you make that big break or not. That is why I think you have the take the approach of a venture capital firm, which is to invest in many many kinds of research, and hope that the one or two that really take off, will make up for all the ones that didn’t. Also, science, and especially biomedical science is becoming extremely interdisciplinary, ie. physicists are dabbling in chemistry and biology and vice versa. Hence, you really need to nurture all the fields equally well, to have a high chance of success.
The other thing that I really agree with PY about, is that you really can’t expect results so soon. Even in top universities in the US, professors are given 7-10 years before they are considered for tenure. 7-10! Because universities understand that you can’t expect results so quickly! And this is just for each individual professor. Some professors don’t even start to publish until they are halfway through that period. To expect results from a whole sector or field in 5 years is a little ridiculous.
It’s high risk and high gain. In the US, NSF and NIH have a special funding category for these kinds of exploratory projects. They know that they have to invest in many kinds of research, both the high-risk-high-gain and the low-risk-low-gain, and everything in between.
about 3 years ago
I did not follow the debate very closely. But I got the impression that LWL’s argument is also that Singapore is not able to compete with more-advanced countries in research in “hot” areas like heart disease. Her point is that it may make more business sense to focus on more niche areas where the top US / Western European scientists are tending to neglect – eg hepatitis among Asians.
about 3 years ago
I am sorry but LWL is a scientist right, can anyone tell me what is a scientist doing by assuming the role of a professional business manager. Does she have a MBA? Does she even have any experience managing and planing an org?
about 3 years ago
Perhaps in a typical industry, u dun produce a product which can be produced elsewhere, that is logical. However why i think philip yeo has the stronger case is due to the nature of research. Because of its uncertain returns, its better to diversify…
However, i do agree with those who say that singapore’s environment is not conducive for research because of reasons that have been discussed exhaustively….but thats another issue entirely
about 3 years ago
but of course the best situation is for the two of them to come to some sort of compromise…maybe some eggs can be shifted to other baskets (hepatitis and head injury). thats a win win situation…all that remains however, is the problem of ego…will the two giants be willing to cooperate? that remains to be seen
about 3 years ago
That Yeo does not have a strong case at all. Just look at our SG national soccer team with all the expensive foreign “talents”. They win small regional battles, but are nowhere a world beater and are international flops. Money well spent? It is always smarter to look for our own competitive advantage and niche focus FIRST before trying to be world beaters. At the rate the biomed is going, no surprise if soon GST will have to be raised again to fund such outflows.
about 3 years ago
What makes you all think that it wasn’t a PR exercise set up to create the perception of the govt reclaiming a certain degree of moral power?
Imagine the govt saying that organ trading is bad…
And then imagine the govt saying that it’s going with Yeo…
It’s the same result: Still positive publicity.
about 3 years ago
“And then imagine the govt saying that it’s going with Yeo…”
Presuming of course, this is what the younger voters may want.
Reading Yeo’s argument like a literature text — semiotically — don’t you think it carries the same ‘trajectory of meaning’ as ‘Let’s be more imaginative! Allow our young more space for passion!’ and the like.
about 3 years ago
If it’s a clash of titans in Singapore… especially between a Lee and a Yeo… It’s always strange: I’d prefer to think it’s all set-up.
about 3 years ago
folks this is getting to complicated and messy, I am going to log off bc the more I read, the more confused I am.
We all just have to wait for those space boys to do their stuff again.
God how I hate to be so dependant on them everytime I find myself wandering around like a blind man!
Help! Tolong!
about 3 years ago
I tell you what, read them, but just pretend you didnt read and when you see them, just dont make eye contact and if they talk to you just pretend you didnt hear them.
Trust me that is what 99.9% of us do.
However, I agree they know their stuff very well and they are funny. I like to see one of those trolls “correcting” those boys, I think they will chew it out and spit out in 5 minutes.
about 3 years ago
kwokheng,
like a WWE wrestling match? haha false punches.
about 3 years ago
Dorothy vs. the Wizard of Oz
about 3 years ago
The problem is that why this case of disagreement between Lee Wei Ling and Mr Philip Yeo is ever revealed to the public ?
Is it another case of mistake by the press to expose the reality of biotech industry ? Is it asking us to be prepare of the loss of billion dollars investment ? If Philip Yeo is right, why Yeo leave biotech and let someone take over. Yeo is the champion and should stick to til the biotech, not just build it and run off, and then not defending himself to prove other people’s wrong about the industries. Yeo has did Singapore a lot of good service in the past, but now why he leave suddenly ?
Can’t Yeo openly defend his point against Lee Wei Ling ? Is Yeo protective of his own position and reputation and fear someone’s higher authority ? Why did he need another ministers/or man in power to defend him.
Aaron, what we need in Singapore is leader to show guts and confidence, not someone who just behave differently when someone of power speak against him.
This is definitely not Philip Yeo that I known of.
If biotech industry prove to be a mistake, the question to ask is => So what ? Is there anything we can really do about it after spending billion dollars ? Can we take a detour ? If No, and if this is a industry that take decades to harvest, then why Yeo want to be champion it in first place if he knows very right that it take that long and that perhaps need to stick to it until biotech bloom. Is he look for quick success and another title name to his credential then ?
Yeo is smart guy and should know very well of how people think of him if he just move on without giving us very clear and truthful reasons.
Though I do not question his character, but he need to be accountable and responsible if billions is spent. It is not right just because disagreement occurs that someone has to move on. We are talking about public fund of billions, not a small sum.
about 3 years ago
I think we all need to wait for the brotherhood press to enlighten us.
about 3 years ago
The wayang is over. No change whatsoever.
about 3 years ago
pangsolian:
I have to disagree with your suggestion that someone with an MBA can manage scientific policy better than someone with scientific research experience. The most successful country in the world in science by a distance is the US, and all their government scientific agencies are headed by scientists, not by people who only have MBAs. The same goes for university research directors, national lab directors, and so on. Maybe you can argue that the US is successful despite eggheads deciding how government funds should be spent in research, but you would need some really good evidence for that.
about 3 years ago
Well there was Thomas EDISON who tried many times and finally succeeded in inventing our incandescent light bulb. And then, there was the Ford EDSEL that one “visionary” Ford insisted on developing and naming after his son – and that model went the way of the dodo bird.
Any kind of research is a risk; on the scale that PY’s A*Star is doing it, the costs must be enormous.
And my interpretation of LWL’s suggestion is to concentrate that outlay or reduce the outlay even, and to focus on issues that are more relevant to Asia.
I subscribe to that commonsense view.
When my American-born cousin wanted to specialise her medical studies in the field of ENT cancer, she came to Singapore and HK because there was little know about that in the USA in her days as a medical student.
When my father was diagnosed with cancer of the liver in Sydney in the 90′s the doctors there recommended he return to HK as they were far more advanced in that field than in Australia – Asians being more prone to cancer of the liver.
So why take the high risk road of researching into topics where the West has a head start and bigger resources – and urgent motivation?
Gamblers with any sense play the odds, so why don’t we?
about 3 years ago
pangsolian:
Management of organisations is about knowing people inside-out. It’s got absolutely nothing to do with MBAs.
Otherwise, pray tell why with the host of MBAs that NUS and NTU have churned out, why is Vivian Bala still only mentioning Sim Wong Hoo as an example of entrepreneurship?
LeslieLee:
The problem is that why this case of disagreement between Lee Wei Ling and Mr Philip Yeo is ever revealed to the public ?
From the PR student’s perspective…
So that the population can see a debate going on, ie. that the press is a lot more progressive now, than previously.
about 3 years ago
Fellow Singaporean:
It’s a favourite to quote lotsa scientists and inventors like Thomas Edison on the nature of invention and discovery.
The problem with that sort of inclination is that it is indisputably simplistic.
If Edison has no moolah from his previous work that yielded him some form of income for day-to-day living, then what kind of fruitful research can he do exactly for his light bulbs?
The point is that whilst the govt is indeed spending huge amounts of money in areas of research which may not yield results, a systemic consideration of the Singapore economy should at the very least yield some form of stable income for at least 20 years for that shadowy research sort to continue.
So assuming that Singapore prefers to pursue research in the grayer areas, then it’d appear that the government has sufficient income from other areas of the economy.
Though I do also subscribe to the common-sense approach—with a catch: I think the govt should reserve about 75% of research finding to the riskier arenas while maintaining 25% for the clearly beneficial and urgent areas of research in the sense of what Prof. Lee Wei Ling proposes.
o.
about 3 years ago
oskar,
perhaps it is true maybe the press is progressive. However, Press should be consistent and not playing mind game. Unless, the press have freedom to publish anything under the sun, i don’t agree that the press is progressive at all since it is still under control by ministers and gahmen. Selective publishing only mislead ppl to think that the press is credible indeed as it cover a particular news or incident but that does not reply it covers other area of news.
In this case, the argument between Lee’s and Yeo is not relevant at all and never constructive at all. The way I see it is just the gov way to tell us that “be prepared for the loss, I’m telling you now so to show I’m honest and truthful”. The answer that gov give is already predictable, so why bother to explain such thing again. Unless gov change its stand and mindset, why waste time even revealing such thing.
If gov is going to say there’s no rethink on biotech, then what the point of publishng such thing ? It only get to discredit Yeo and Lee, and doesn’t serve the public any purpose.
To debate for the sake of debate is useless if we can’t change anything at all.
about 3 years ago
In secondary school social studies, students are taught that the welfare state has a lot of problems, there are “principles of good governance”, one of which is pragmatism.
about 3 years ago
Mr Yeo commented that he has other more important things to do than enaging in this dedate. I said, what an arrogant attitude from a senior civil servant. Mr Yeo is being paid by public fund and it is his duty and responsibility to defend and explain his policies. I shall ask him what other more important things to do that he needs to spend 24 hours than to clarifying public questions? Whenever he has questions that he does not want to answer, he would just use this excuse. Simply Naive.
about 3 years ago
Looks like Philip Yeo did not have enough fun taking on LWL, now he’s picking on the blogger who he once threatened to sue:
http://diodati.omniscientx.com/2007/02/16/the-smugness-of-ignorance-i/