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]]> By: Dr.Huang http://aaron-ng.info/blog/barking-up-the-wrong-tree-on-fdw-legislation.html/comment-page-1#comment-17837 Dr.Huang Thu, 05 Jun 2008 06:36:26 +0000 http://aaron-ng.info/blog/barking-up-the-wrong-tree-on-fdw-legislation.html#comment-17837 Hi nancy, It is great that your maid get to go off whenever she requests. However not everyone is like you. How much easier if this day off is mandatory instead of waiting for the maids to ask their employers and depending on employers' generosity! For every reasonable employer like you there may be a few unreasonable ones who do not even allow their maids to go to the remittance or bank ( without shadowing them). If all the employers are like you, I am wasting my time on this day-off issue as I know from the bottom of my heart that you will treat them humanely with or without laws. Seriously even with laws, maids will still be abused! I meant no disrespect when asking why you let your maid go after 6 years. Any offense meant is regretted. Yes I also would not tolerate adultary with a family member ( or friend). Cheers Hi nancy,
It is great that your maid get to go off whenever she requests.
However not everyone is like you.
How much easier if this day off is mandatory instead of waiting for the maids to ask their employers and depending on employers’ generosity!
For every reasonable employer like you there may be a few unreasonable ones who do not even allow their maids to go to the remittance or bank ( without shadowing them).
If all the employers are like you, I am wasting my time on this day-off issue as I know from the bottom of my heart that you will treat them humanely with or without laws.
Seriously even with laws, maids will still be abused!
I meant no disrespect when asking why you let your maid go after 6 years. Any offense meant is regretted.
Yes I also would not tolerate adultary with a family member ( or friend).
Cheers

]]> By: nancy http://aaron-ng.info/blog/barking-up-the-wrong-tree-on-fdw-legislation.html/comment-page-1#comment-17835 nancy Thu, 05 Jun 2008 05:54:07 +0000 http://aaron-ng.info/blog/barking-up-the-wrong-tree-on-fdw-legislation.html#comment-17835 Sorry for the confusion. The above post should end with the sentence ... Not everything has to be settled with a law. The last 2 lines should be deleted. (this old lady, yours truly, has still to learn editing properly) Sorry for the confusion. The above post should end with the sentence … Not everything has to be settled with a law.
The last 2 lines should be deleted. (this old lady, yours truly, has still to learn editing properly)

]]> By: nancy http://aaron-ng.info/blog/barking-up-the-wrong-tree-on-fdw-legislation.html/comment-page-1#comment-17833 nancy Thu, 05 Jun 2008 02:44:33 +0000 http://aaron-ng.info/blog/barking-up-the-wrong-tree-on-fdw-legislation.html#comment-17833 Hi Dr Huang Correct me if I am wrong. I thought the issue now is whether we should have a law to give a day off each week/month to our FDWs or monetary reward in lieu of it. My view is that each case is different because some employers need the maid 24/7, so this law does not hold. My sharing was that if everybody can treat each other humanely then this law is not required, but as shared, reality was not what I hoped. I did not ask if she was happy for those exchanges, but each request (more home leave; time off; all public holidays she could meet her friends if she asked) was granted. She did not ask for a fully paid home leave but she got it as I too have paid leave, why couldn't she? So do you think, she was happy? I cannot answer for her; neither can you assume otherwise. I can sense you are passionate for the cause of the FDWs but again I say there are always 2 sides. Now to answer your question as to why I still send her packing after 6 years - Familiarity breeds contempt and it led to open defiance including adultery with a relative (his maid showed photos of my maid with my relative's husband in outings to places of interests like Sentosa). He did not bother to bring his wife and kids yet brought MY maid ! During a gathering when I spoke about thingking to send my maid off due to open defiance (not about this case as I did not know at that point of time), he turned very cold towards me. Coupled with this revelation I made the decision to terminate her. On hindsight now I know why she was so defiant - because she thought that her lover could protect her. If her standard of work is not so good maybe we can transfer her to another employer (as expectations differ with different employers) but if it is a character flaw then it's not responsible to burden another employer with this FDW. Didn't mean to reveal so much but since you asked I let you know the reason. So my point is if both employers and FDWs can act humanly, no such law is required - both parties need to know how to strike the balance. Unless you are in it yourself, you can never know the story. One last note - my current maid goes to jalan jalan every Sat and Sun for 3-4 hours and a whole day if required e.g. to the embassy to celebrate whatever festivals they may organise. If she asks, she will get it. Not everything has to be settled with a law is humaneeach household has diffethat she got it by accumulation. 6 years ago this was a non issue but we did it before time. Hi Dr Huang
Correct me if I am wrong. I thought the issue now is whether we should have a law to give a day off each week/month to our FDWs or monetary reward in lieu of it. My view is that each case is different because some employers need the maid 24/7, so this law does not hold. My sharing was that if everybody can treat each other humanely then this law is not required, but as shared, reality was not what I hoped. I did not ask if she was happy for those exchanges, but each request (more home leave; time off; all public holidays she could meet her friends if she asked) was granted. She did not ask for a fully paid home leave but she got it as I too have paid leave, why couldn’t she?
So do you think, she was happy? I cannot answer for her; neither can you assume otherwise.
I can sense you are passionate for the cause of the FDWs but again I say there are always 2 sides.
Now to answer your question as to why I still send her packing after 6 years -
Familiarity breeds contempt and it led to open defiance including adultery with a relative (his maid showed photos of my maid with my relative’s husband in outings to places of interests like Sentosa). He did not bother to bring his wife and kids yet brought MY maid ! During a gathering when I spoke about thingking to send my maid off due to open defiance (not about this case as I did not know at that point of time), he turned very cold towards me. Coupled with this revelation I made the decision to terminate her. On hindsight now I know why she was so defiant – because she thought that her lover could protect her. If her standard of work is not so good maybe we can transfer her to another employer (as expectations differ with different employers) but if it is a character flaw then it’s not responsible to burden another employer with this FDW. Didn’t mean to reveal so much but since you asked I let you know the reason.
So my point is if both employers and FDWs can act humanly, no such law is required – both parties need to know how to strike the balance. Unless you are in it yourself, you can never know the story.
One last note – my current maid goes to jalan jalan every Sat and Sun for 3-4 hours and a whole day if required e.g. to the embassy to celebrate whatever festivals they may organise. If she asks, she will get it. Not everything has to be settled with a law

is humaneeach household has diffethat she got it by accumulation.
6 years ago this was a non issue but we did it before time.

]]> By: Dr.Huang http://aaron-ng.info/blog/barking-up-the-wrong-tree-on-fdw-legislation.html/comment-page-1#comment-17827 Dr.Huang Wed, 04 Jun 2008 04:37:55 +0000 http://aaron-ng.info/blog/barking-up-the-wrong-tree-on-fdw-legislation.html#comment-17827 Hi nancy, It is good that you allowed her to go back for 4 weeks instead of 2 weeks but that is your prerogative. Whether she is paid or not during her leave is also subject to contract and if you wish to pay more than the contract is also your choice. Having said that, it does not mean that your maid is happy to exchange rest days for that extra 2 weeks and those cash incentives and for not doing extra chores on Sat/Sun! Correct me if I am wrong but do you think that your maid would have wished for a rest day a week ( like everybody else) or even one day a month and not get extra 2 weeks leave and everything else as per the contract? I imagine myself as a worker working for a boss who says I cannot have any rest day for the whole year, but he will give me cash incentives on Christmas and New Year, and if I need to run errands, he MAY allow me some time off and he will not make me do extra chores on Sat & Sun ( but no day off) and for my annual leave he will allow me extra 2 weeks instead of 4 weeks! I know what I will opt for. After 6 years, why did you have to send her packing (back home)? If you do not want her to work for you anymore ( as you are entitled to do), why did you just ask her to find another employer who is willing to take her? Yes there are 2 sides to every story, but whose story requires more protection from our govt? Hi nancy,
It is good that you allowed her to go back for 4 weeks instead of 2 weeks but that is your prerogative. Whether she is paid or not during her leave is also subject to contract and if you wish to pay more than the contract is also your choice. Having said that, it does not mean that your maid is happy to exchange rest days for that extra 2 weeks and those cash incentives and for not doing extra chores on Sat/Sun!

Correct me if I am wrong but do you think that your maid would have wished for a rest day a week ( like everybody else) or even one day a month and not get extra 2 weeks leave and everything else as per the contract?

I imagine myself as a worker working for a boss who says I cannot have any rest day for the whole year, but he will give me cash incentives on Christmas and New Year, and if I need to run errands, he MAY allow me some time off and he will not make me do extra chores on Sat & Sun ( but no day off) and for my annual leave he will allow me extra 2 weeks instead of 4 weeks! I know what I will opt for.

After 6 years, why did you have to send her packing (back home)? If you do not want her to work for you anymore ( as you are entitled to do), why did you just ask her to find another employer who is willing to take her?

Yes there are 2 sides to every story, but whose story requires more protection from our govt?

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