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	<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 16:15:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: miecze-repliki</title>
		<link>http://aaron-ng.info/blog/between-a-rock-and-a-hard-place.html#comment-18225</link>
		<dc:creator>miecze-repliki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 21:01:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ciekawa strona, bede ja odwiedzal czesciej, pozdro</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ciekawa strona, bede ja odwiedzal czesciej, pozdro</p>
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		<title>By: Very Unhappy With PAP</title>
		<link>http://aaron-ng.info/blog/between-a-rock-and-a-hard-place.html#comment-17655</link>
		<dc:creator>Very Unhappy With PAP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 22:49:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't think this whole thing has anything to do with risk aversion. In most countries where ministers and high ranking officials are asked to take responsibility, never resulted in risk aversion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think this whole thing has anything to do with risk aversion. In most countries where ministers and high ranking officials are asked to take responsibility, never resulted in risk aversion.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 17:57:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Aaron,

WRDC report to ISD.

ISD report to MHA.

Mr Wong KS has a long working relationship with Mr Pang and he is perfectly confident with Mr Pang's capabilities.

Mr Wong KS would have assumed that ISD Director Mr Pang will do his due diligence to ensure that there are regular audits to check on the security of WRDC facilities &#38; the SOP in WRDC.

The lack of regular auditing and checking will definitely lead to complacency and a false sense of security. That is the reason why any self respecting organization would conduct their internal &#38; external auditing to prevent any possible wrongdoing. 

Therefore, it is not surprising that the WRDC superintendent will make bad judgment and the guards at WRDC were not following the SOP which led to the success of Mas Selemat escaping. Not to mention that not all windows in WRDC toilets are fenced and CCTV are working. 

Just  because Mr Wong KS &#38; Mr Pang do not have direct control over the Gurkha guards or they are not expected to fix the toilet windows or the CCTV, does it mean that both of them are not responsible for this lapse at all ?


For your comment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Aaron,</p>
<p>WRDC report to ISD.</p>
<p>ISD report to MHA.</p>
<p>Mr Wong KS has a long working relationship with Mr Pang and he is perfectly confident with Mr Pang&#8217;s capabilities.</p>
<p>Mr Wong KS would have assumed that ISD Director Mr Pang will do his due diligence to ensure that there are regular audits to check on the security of WRDC facilities &amp; the SOP in WRDC.</p>
<p>The lack of regular auditing and checking will definitely lead to complacency and a false sense of security. That is the reason why any self respecting organization would conduct their internal &amp; external auditing to prevent any possible wrongdoing. </p>
<p>Therefore, it is not surprising that the WRDC superintendent will make bad judgment and the guards at WRDC were not following the SOP which led to the success of Mas Selemat escaping. Not to mention that not all windows in WRDC toilets are fenced and CCTV are working. </p>
<p>Just  because Mr Wong KS &amp; Mr Pang do not have direct control over the Gurkha guards or they are not expected to fix the toilet windows or the CCTV, does it mean that both of them are not responsible for this lapse at all ?</p>
<p>For your comment.</p>
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		<title>By: Anxious Singaporean</title>
		<link>http://aaron-ng.info/blog/between-a-rock-and-a-hard-place.html#comment-17653</link>
		<dc:creator>Anxious Singaporean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 17:30:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>'Diamond Rice Bowl' puts the situation succinctly. All authority and perks, but no responsibility.

But the citizens (those who were in contested areas) voted for the PAP and gave them carte blanche in exchange for relative security, a roof over their heads and sufficient food.

Unfortunately all that uncurbed power over the years has got into the PAP's and government's heads.

This would not have happened if not for their utter arrogance and complacency.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;Diamond Rice Bowl&#8217; puts the situation succinctly. All authority and perks, but no responsibility.</p>
<p>But the citizens (those who were in contested areas) voted for the PAP and gave them carte blanche in exchange for relative security, a roof over their heads and sufficient food.</p>
<p>Unfortunately all that uncurbed power over the years has got into the PAP&#8217;s and government&#8217;s heads.</p>
<p>This would not have happened if not for their utter arrogance and complacency.</p>
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		<title>By: Weiye</title>
		<link>http://aaron-ng.info/blog/between-a-rock-and-a-hard-place.html#comment-17649</link>
		<dc:creator>Weiye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 07:40:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is another problem in favouring the second argument; if we should only fault those who are directly responsible (for the mistakes), we should logically only reward those who are directly responsible (for whatever turned out right). 

If the ministers are not directly responsible for most of the good things that happened, the ministerial pay-rise wouldn't be justified. 

I do not think he should be sacked but I do not think he should be absolved of all consequences (perhaps a pay-cut?). </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is another problem in favouring the second argument; if we should only fault those who are directly responsible (for the mistakes), we should logically only reward those who are directly responsible (for whatever turned out right). </p>
<p>If the ministers are not directly responsible for most of the good things that happened, the ministerial pay-rise wouldn&#8217;t be justified. </p>
<p>I do not think he should be sacked but I do not think he should be absolved of all consequences (perhaps a pay-cut?).</p>
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		<title>By: Bedside Teddy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bedside Teddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 14:25:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looking at the picture of MS, I doubt he could get thru that window.

You all neber had to squeeze between a rock and hard place before meh?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looking at the picture of MS, I doubt he could get thru that window.</p>
<p>You all neber had to squeeze between a rock and hard place before meh?</p>
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		<title>By: Tan Ah Kow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tan Ah Kow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 10:42:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is another one of those strange logic imbued in this so-called choice:

&lt;i&gt;Either way, we have a problem. It’s either we create a culture of aversion to mistakes or we create a modern day nobility.&lt;/i&gt;

The logic is strange in that:

(a) Firstly, "risk" by any stretch of definition means for a given action or even inaction, there is POTENTIALLY a negative consequence. So in the case of WKS, his job as a minister do come with a POTENTIAL consequence that he could be asked to leave the job. The risk is there and anyone, who wants that job must be cognisance of that fact, which means he/she must be prepared to take risk. Now if one were to make the job devoid of any negative consequences that what risk is one taking from the job?

(b) Second, we have to clarify to whom is the risk being mitigated by having a ministerial job that is effectively an unsackable? A minister job is, if it was in a representative government, is to take actions on behalf of the people to whom he represents. The action he/she makes has consequences. In WKS, the consequence of an ALLEGED terrorist on the loose causing "havoc" to Singapore -- i.e. the negative one. By his action, which let's just say, is to put in place a secure institution, and yet, through his own actions or in actions, failed to do so, result in MAS incidence. Now questions: who is taking the risks here? WKS or the people? Certainly not WKS since his job is secure. So it seemed, if we went by Aaron's logic, we should make someone job secure so he/she personally don't have to take risk, but it is all right for him/her take actions/inactions and others to bear the consequence. In other words, promoting a culture of "risk-taking-but-not-at-my-expense"!

(c) Thirdly, risk taking is an innate in the person not something that can be "created" by a third person. Every action/inaction a person makes will have consequence for him/her-self. At best a third party can do is to take the risk on behalf of others, which it seemed the PAP Government is doing -- i.e. negative consequences, it's the people's complacency! Look at America, their government ministers get fired, and their presidents have to suffer humiliation to win office, and criticised all the time, but still people are coming forward to served. In Singapore, ministerial jobs are already cushioned from criticisms by controlled media and have only to suffer slightly rigged election, and still Singaporean are risks adverse -- i.e. fearful of negative consequences. Again going by Aaron logic, it seemed the only logical way of making Singaporean not risks adverse is by taking away the risk -- i.e. negative consequence -- altogether. Then it comes back to point (b) who takes the risks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is another one of those strange logic imbued in this so-called choice:</p>
<p><i>Either way, we have a problem. It’s either we create a culture of aversion to mistakes or we create a modern day nobility.</i></p>
<p>The logic is strange in that:</p>
<p>(a) Firstly, &#8220;risk&#8221; by any stretch of definition means for a given action or even inaction, there is POTENTIALLY a negative consequence. So in the case of WKS, his job as a minister do come with a POTENTIAL consequence that he could be asked to leave the job. The risk is there and anyone, who wants that job must be cognisance of that fact, which means he/she must be prepared to take risk. Now if one were to make the job devoid of any negative consequences that what risk is one taking from the job?</p>
<p>(b) Second, we have to clarify to whom is the risk being mitigated by having a ministerial job that is effectively an unsackable? A minister job is, if it was in a representative government, is to take actions on behalf of the people to whom he represents. The action he/she makes has consequences. In WKS, the consequence of an ALLEGED terrorist on the loose causing &#8220;havoc&#8221; to Singapore &#8212; i.e. the negative one. By his action, which let&#8217;s just say, is to put in place a secure institution, and yet, through his own actions or in actions, failed to do so, result in MAS incidence. Now questions: who is taking the risks here? WKS or the people? Certainly not WKS since his job is secure. So it seemed, if we went by Aaron&#8217;s logic, we should make someone job secure so he/she personally don&#8217;t have to take risk, but it is all right for him/her take actions/inactions and others to bear the consequence. In other words, promoting a culture of &#8220;risk-taking-but-not-at-my-expense&#8221;!</p>
<p>(c) Thirdly, risk taking is an innate in the person not something that can be &#8220;created&#8221; by a third person. Every action/inaction a person makes will have consequence for him/her-self. At best a third party can do is to take the risk on behalf of others, which it seemed the PAP Government is doing &#8212; i.e. negative consequences, it&#8217;s the people&#8217;s complacency! Look at America, their government ministers get fired, and their presidents have to suffer humiliation to win office, and criticised all the time, but still people are coming forward to served. In Singapore, ministerial jobs are already cushioned from criticisms by controlled media and have only to suffer slightly rigged election, and still Singaporean are risks adverse &#8212; i.e. fearful of negative consequences. Again going by Aaron logic, it seemed the only logical way of making Singaporean not risks adverse is by taking away the risk &#8212; i.e. negative consequence &#8212; altogether. Then it comes back to point (b) who takes the risks!</p>
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		<title>By: AC</title>
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		<dc:creator>AC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 09:11:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aaron : 

Yea, I did Animal Farm for Literature when I was a student...

A quote from “V for Vendetta” that comes to my mind :

	"Since mankind's dawn a handful of
	oppressors have accepted the
	responsibility over our lives,
	responsibility that we should have
	accepted ourselves.  By doing so,
	they took our power.  By doing
	nothing, we gave it away"

It is high time that Singaporeans need to wake up to pay more attention to what is happening in Singapore, than to rely on blind faith that the PAP will always take care of us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aaron : </p>
<p>Yea, I did Animal Farm for Literature when I was a student&#8230;</p>
<p>A quote from “V for Vendetta” that comes to my mind :</p>
<p>	&#8220;Since mankind&#8217;s dawn a handful of<br />
	oppressors have accepted the<br />
	responsibility over our lives,<br />
	responsibility that we should have<br />
	accepted ourselves.  By doing so,<br />
	they took our power.  By doing<br />
	nothing, we gave it away&#8221;</p>
<p>It is high time that Singaporeans need to wake up to pay more attention to what is happening in Singapore, than to rely on blind faith that the PAP will always take care of us.</p>
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		<title>By: Kaffein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kaffein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 08:57:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A very sensible question for you, Aaron:

Diferrent hypothetical (or maybe not :P) scenarios:
1. A cleark embezzled money of say 1million. The processes were in place but somehow there was a loophole.

2. A reservist managed to take out a rifle.

3. A company is making huge losses.

4. A deputy health minister failed to report an outbreak of diseases that could potentially kill more people.

Well, whom do you think should be sacked?

My take: It depends on the severity of the issue. For such an international failing of a lost terrorist, not only just any terrorist, but the #1 terrorist in Asia, whom do you think should take responsibility?

And what was the remedial report? Discipline the officer and the guards.

Duh. I rest my case.

Kaffein</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A very sensible question for you, Aaron:</p>
<p>Diferrent hypothetical (or maybe not :P) scenarios:<br />
1. A cleark embezzled money of say 1million. The processes were in place but somehow there was a loophole.</p>
<p>2. A reservist managed to take out a rifle.</p>
<p>3. A company is making huge losses.</p>
<p>4. A deputy health minister failed to report an outbreak of diseases that could potentially kill more people.</p>
<p>Well, whom do you think should be sacked?</p>
<p>My take: It depends on the severity of the issue. For such an international failing of a lost terrorist, not only just any terrorist, but the #1 terrorist in Asia, whom do you think should take responsibility?</p>
<p>And what was the remedial report? Discipline the officer and the guards.</p>
<p>Duh. I rest my case.</p>
<p>Kaffein</p>
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		<title>By: Sew Kam Hung</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sew Kam Hung</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 08:55:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the PM is concern that if we allow the line of logic subscribed by the crowd, none of the heads will be spared including his. so he said, let's be real here,  not all screw ups warrant a one way ticket to the chopping board all this country will go down( that's true) . so in the minister's case and according to his judgment( one man against the rest) mr wong should not be blamed. after all, mr wong is a valuable player in his team and the government  can ill afford  to lose such a pricey talent.

now at this juncture, there are many voices and mixed emotions. so who do we listen to and who should call the final shot? well, the elites will seek to hear from their own  obviously. so some will say...hey...listen to so and so because this so and so impresses me. whereas for others, they seek the collective views of the vast majority.

will they hear the rumbles of the ground in the hearts of the people and sense THE VOICE? to me, that's the definitive voice. and even if that voice goes against all rationality , it is still to be heeded. like in a marriage, you're bounded by a common destiny for  good or for worse. it is in this unyielding faith in that voice that will raise the bride to the level of the bridegroom( true leadership)!
so  the days the elite group calling the shots are over - or should be over.

but of course, the power that be may still insist its ways are best. the people too can always insist on remembering.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the PM is concern that if we allow the line of logic subscribed by the crowd, none of the heads will be spared including his. so he said, let&#8217;s be real here,  not all screw ups warrant a one way ticket to the chopping board all this country will go down( that&#8217;s true) . so in the minister&#8217;s case and according to his judgment( one man against the rest) mr wong should not be blamed. after all, mr wong is a valuable player in his team and the government  can ill afford  to lose such a pricey talent.</p>
<p>now at this juncture, there are many voices and mixed emotions. so who do we listen to and who should call the final shot? well, the elites will seek to hear from their own  obviously. so some will say&#8230;hey&#8230;listen to so and so because this so and so impresses me. whereas for others, they seek the collective views of the vast majority.</p>
<p>will they hear the rumbles of the ground in the hearts of the people and sense THE VOICE? to me, that&#8217;s the definitive voice. and even if that voice goes against all rationality , it is still to be heeded. like in a marriage, you&#8217;re bounded by a common destiny for  good or for worse. it is in this unyielding faith in that voice that will raise the bride to the level of the bridegroom( true leadership)!<br />
so  the days the elite group calling the shots are over - or should be over.</p>
<p>but of course, the power that be may still insist its ways are best. the people too can always insist on remembering.</p>
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