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Donating back to NUS: here’s how
Two Saturdays ago, the Straits Times ran a story on alumni donations back to local universities and I was quoted in two paragraphs of the story talking about NUS. Today, I was finally asked by a colleague who read that story whether I really disliked NUS that much.
While the story might have given that impression, the truth is, I gave a very long interview and said alot more things which, taken together with the parts attributed to me in the story, will give a very different impression. I do not blame the journalist because I believe she had her own considerations in crafting her story and besides, there’s still the editor on top of her who can change her story.
Anyway, just to put things in perspective, I did say I threw away donation appeals from NUS but I also said the reason is because the name NUS does not have much affinity with me. NUS is a big institution with many schools and departments. What I have an affinity for is not the institution NUS but the school and department I was with because I spent the bulk of my undergraduate days with them.
I noted that I would have given much more serious consideration if the letter came not from NUS but from my school (Faculty of Arts and Social Sciences) or my department (Communications and New Media). The reason is because NUS is so big and fragmented that students no longer identify themselves primarily as an NUS graduate but rather, they identify themselves as a graduate of their school or department. This might appear as weird but I do talk alot more fondly about my school and department than about the institution called NUS.
I was also quoted giving the example of a fee increase during my undergraduate days and how that episode made students feel NUS was out of touch with them. However, I also noted that NUS has markedly improved in the next following years and there have been many more consultations with students on impending decisions that could have a big impact on them. I also said this is a step in the right direction and will certainly help students feel that NUS cares for them and in turn, this might improve alumni donations in future. The later half of what I said wasn’t published.
Also, I gave my suggestions during the interview as to how alumni donations can be greatly increased. I noted that students have greater affinity for the schools or departments they were with and NUS should consider working with schools and/or departments to appeal to students to donate money. I think there is a greater chance of success if the school’s dean, the department head or perhaps even a very long-serving and popular professor makes an appeal for donations.
I would hesitate to donate to NUS because I don’t know whether my donation would go to my former school or department, or will the money be used for other purposes. However, if I am donating to my former school or department, I do know that my donation will probably go towards benefiting the entities I want my money to benefit. I think a big part of why alumni are not responding to calls for donation is because the university is not doing targeted soliciting. It is important to know what kinds of appeal works with which kinds of alumni. Sending generic donation appeals is akin to randomly shooting in the dark and hoping that something gets hit.
I told the reporter if my department head or a professor I know wrote me an appeal for donation, I would donate. Similarly, if my dean sent an appeal, I would give very serious consideration. I am not sure if I should be thankful to the reporter for not publishing the secret to me opening my wallet but I believe this is the secret to opening the wallets of many alumni.
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about 2 years ago
I feel that part of the reason why alumni members are not donating back to the school is because of the culture of individualism instilled in most if not all NUS students.
This is perhaps best exemplified by the bell curve system in which we try to outdo one another for the grade rather than help one another for the knowledge. It’s every man for him/ herself.
Yes it is true that I’ve made a few close friends whilst in NUS. But that didn’t change the fact that they were, are, and will be my competitors when we are taking the same module together. And I have experienced friends who were reluctant to lend a helping hand academically so to speak.
If I have to rely on myself when I am still in NUS, why should I bother to help when I am out of NUS?
The same logic applies with the department and school; you are probably more willing to give back to the department because you have received help from them during your time in NUS.
Kindness begets kindness. Asking not what the school can do for me will only work to a limited degree. Perhaps it’s time for NUS to reassess its policies to create a more bonded community of students.
about 2 years ago
NUS doesn’t care for students. It cares about results. So why should I donate?
about 2 years ago
Weiye,
Maybe you think NUS = School/Faculty = Department but I see them as very distinct entities. There are NUS wide policies that a school/faculty or department cannot defy. If you are talking about things within the department’s or school’s control and yet they are not doing much to help, something is seriously wrong.
And you are right that FASS and CNM has been very kind to me. But, this is a chicken and egg issue. I’ve tried my best to play my part as a student by joining and forming student organizations to help out the faculty and department. When I asked for testimonials from my teachers, they always said yes. Whenever I was asked to provide assistance as a student, I never said no, even if it meant working late or coming early. To be honest, I don’t remember who started the cycle. All I know is that my faculty and department will help me when I need them to and I will do the same in return, no questions asked.
I guess to cut the long story short, have you tried doing something for the department and school? And, have you tried asking for help? If you did, who did you ask from and what happened? The reason I’m asking so much is because I want to know if you’re waiting there for others to guess how you feel and respond to you accordingly. As a student, I never waited. I would always offer my assistance if I can and I’ve never had a bad experience with my faculty or department, although there were some that could have been more pleasant but I know there were no bad intentions.
about 2 years ago
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about 2 years ago
Why the hell should I donate back to NUS for my money to sponsor “scholars” from China to study.
IF they can prove that our donations are going to needy Singaporeans FIRST (and foreigners later) to subsidise their studies, I would happily donate a small part of my salary every month.
Meanwhile, my contribution to NUS is to help out my younger cousins with their fees.
about 2 years ago
Every july or aug,
i will saw freshman from uni go outside asking for donation.
What are the money use for?
I donate before.
Then i discovered that this happened every year.
I stop donating
Is nus and ntu so poor that they need donations?
cut those directors and lecturers salary
about 2 years ago
Hi Aaron
,
I understand why you perceived NUS, FASS and CNM as distinct entities. But it remains true that these “distinct” entities are in reality very much interrelated. The community is never just about one specific social factor. It’s about a confluence of social factors that affects an individual’s sense of belonging to a community. And these factors can be both complimenting and/or conflicting. The individual will then have to seek his/her own balance.
Believe me when I say that I have great adulation for the department, for their willingness to help students, for Dr Millie’s effort to make sure that our curriculum is up-to-date with the actual industrial requirements, etc. But from what I know, the faculty does not always approve her proposal to start new modules, simply because they have a different set of considerations (that may not be student-oriented but that do not mean that they are right or wrong). Unfortunately, as a student within these forces, I will be more inclined to side the department rather than the faculty. And you yourself have mentioned that there are NUS wide policies that the faculty and department cannot defy.
Theoretically speaking than, the strength of bond will be sum of all the factors. Unfortunately, we see now that the strength is relatively weak since many students are not so willing to donate back.
True indeed, if the appeal for donations comes directly from the department, I will be more willing to donate. But if you examine closer, my willingness to donate is still influenced by the other factors mentioned. It’s impossible to totally deny that the faculty and the school itself have no influence on this.
And yes, I’ve asked for help from the faculty on numerous occasions e.g. on module bidding etc (since I came from polytechnic background) but they usually (not always) refer me back to the department or to the business school for business modules. And like I’ve mentioned in my original post, I have asked help from fellow students as well but some of them were reluctant to help academically so to speak. So all these factors will influence my ultimate decision to give back, be it to the department, the faculty or the school, bearing in mind that the decision is not categorical (yes/no) but continuous (yes to no, with the amount of willingness varying).
about 2 years ago
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about 1 year ago
Foreign scholars get their money from MOE, not NUS.
And I think the main reason for low donations is because NUS screws students for administrative expediency. So why will they want to donate as alumni?
about 1 year ago
I donated 4 boxes worth of Physics texts to the Physics society. This is to help poor students and those that are not so super-kiasu to rush after lecture to lend from Science Library. Science is a marathon passion, it’s not a 100m dash competition. The same can be said of education in general.
about 1 year ago
Maybe I’m the only weird one here. I feel more related to NUS as an entity rather than FASS or CNM, though I was from ICM (former CNM)
…and it doesn’t mean I will donate…
about 1 year ago
I agree with the view that department/faculty wide donation drives would likely be more successful that a generic NUS effort. From what I have noticed, the NUS law school have little problems getting alumni to give back to the school in terms of money or giving up valuable billing hours to teach (for little or no money)
about 1 year ago
I will NEVER donate to NUS. It’s ridiculous. I have big grudges against the stupid institution.
I love the time I spent with my friends there. I love some parts of the environment. But I’m bitter over the administration, the stupid guys up there who call the shots. Here’s why:
When I tried to take a second major, I was rejected. Their reply was: Nope, no such thing. You belong to XYZ faculty, you can only graduate in XYZ. You can’t major in an ABC subject.
Ok fine. Limited and crippled educational system, I thought.
So after I graduated and worked for a while, I wanted to so badly major in ABC at NUS. I told them I wanted to start afresh. Take me in as a freshie. They said Ok, but you have to compete with that year’s A level students. I was like, Huh??! I graduated with Honours from your institution and I need to compete with the young lads?
Ok fine, so be it. I was getting excited at the prospect to study as a new undergrad again. Never mind, “wasting” a few years of work (at least I saved some money.)
But wait…. What about the course fees, I suddenly remembered. Then came their most discouraging and illogical reply: “Youve been subsidized by MOE before, so you’ve got to pay the Full Course Fees”. Ok bring it on…. How much?
S$80,000+ for a 4-year course!
I repeat if that figure didn’t sink into you yet: S$80,000.
They got to be kidding right?! I could easily have gotten a better education overseas with that same amount of money! Ok, maybe not inclusive of daily expenses and lodging. But still… Why in the world would I want to study in NUS when other better unis overseas charge similar course fees?
That pissed me off a lot. As with the limited educational system in general, you get chained into a particular course/career here and your life’s pretty much screwed unless you’ve got to money to bail yourself out. Or if rich daddy or mommy can help you.
Another point to note: Foreign students (oh yes, don’t those jokers up there love these people) coming to Singapore to study need only pay a mere 10% or so more than locals to study in NUS.
Noy witty reader, please point out to me where else in the world that charges foreigners course fees that differ so little compared to their own locals???
And NUS still wants us dear Alumni to chip in??? They must be joking. You don’t even care about me, why should I care about your institution which I believe is making a lot already?
What irks me is that they will sometimes print some pathetic stories of needy students who need the money to study to gain your sympathy.
IRKSOME and CUNNING are the words I’d use on NUS.
NUS — A world class institution? You got to be joking.
So you still want to donate to NUS? Don’t be a Fool.
(Note: All those rankings are very misleading. They never quite state what criteria were used to judge. Sometimes, NUS ranking is high based on the number of papers published by lecturers and researchers, who, no suprise here, hail from foreign countries. They use money to buy these people. Simple to understnad right? And it’s not because the students are that smart generally or that the teaching standards are excellent.
I’m sure anyone who has studied in NUS will relate at many points lecturers with weird accents that are so difficult to understand, and those who are simply not dedicated enough to teach well.)
about 1 year ago
wayne,
you’ve already been subsidised once for your first NUS degree, why should taxpayers subsidise your second one, when others have not enjoyed their first chance to be subsidised? Unless special factors are involved. Therefore its par for the course that you should pay full fees for your second degree which arguably is still lesser than a full fledged cost of a “better” degree overseas (tuition/books/living costs).
Lets take Oxford for ( a hard to argue) example of a better degree for arguments sake. A BA costs 11k british pounds for foreign students. 44k for 4 years. Over 120k Sing dollars tuition fees. Add living costs/books on top of that. Ok stanford charges US$24k per year for tuition.
So weren’t you glad that your first degree cost you only $24k sing dollars for 4 years?
I do agree with you that the NUS spread of educational courses pales in comparison to other major universities. However, they are playing catch up now with offerings of double degrees/majors/concurrent degrees etc. I also missed the boat.
But if you want to take a second degree in NUS and still pay subsidised fees, this is the only one I know of, which I am in: http://law.nus.edu.sg/prospective/undergrad/glp.htm. Also you can use your degree to apply and do not need to compete with the “young lads” with A levels.
about 1 year ago
Amirul,
In the first place, we should not question about taxpayer’s money. We should question what are the authorities doing to help locals get a good education.
Overseas, some unis actually give free tuition fees to their locals. And some even pay them to study! Ok, I don’t expect that sort of treatment here. But how do you account for the fact that foreigners only need to pay 10% more than us Singaporeans to study here? Taxpayers paying for my fees? Perhaps, but think deeper again.
For $80+k to pay full course fees to study here for 4 years, seriously, I’d rather foot the extra money for lodging, food, etc to experience life overseas. Unfortunately, to begin with, I cannot pay that kind of fees for the course I’m studying. It’s not a career which will return me big money in the short term.
Moreover, I don’t see the logic of my having to pay so much when in the first place, NUS could have given me a double degree.
Moreover, it’s very flexible for undergrads to switch subjects, courses and majors, or get double majors. It’s a pain and as good as impossible here. What if in mid-life I wish to get a second degree which I find I can do better in my career? You can do that easily overseas.
No man, I’m not interested in a law-related degree.
The tertiary system here is far from world class. No surprise why Singapore is labelled as an “elitist” country. You got to choose where you are going else it’s almost a no turning back.
about 1 year ago
What does NUS stands for?
about 1 year ago
long time no blog ?
about 1 year ago
After three months of absence, this blog MUST BE DEAD already!
about 1 year ago
Donate to Hwachong instead!
????? ?????????
about 1 year ago
Wayne you are must be daydreaming to get an overseas education at 80K? (Maybe I am wrong… So is it Indonesia or Vietnam for you?)
Dude, I think subsidizing your second Uni stint is just as wasteful, if not more, than subsidizing a foreigner.
By the way, NUS education is buay pai already. Just go on an exchange to find out.