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Elia Diodati versus Philip Yeo: a watershed for blogosphere
Philip Yeo has recently crossed swords with Elia Diodati, a famous local blogger who previously blogged under the pseudonym AcidFlask. I think most bloggers can recall that this is not the first time Philip Yeo has crossed swords with Elia Diodati aka AcidFlask. The so-called AcidFlask incident made headlines (it was given quite abit of coverage in the MSM) because Mr Philip Yeo felt that some comments that were made in his (AcidFlask) blog was defamatory and asked for the offending entries to be removed. AcidFlask removed the entire blog and migrated elsewhere as a new reincarnation, Elia Diodati.
What’s significant this time round is that Philip Yeo chose to cross swords with Elia Diodati by commenting on Elia’s blog. This is in stark contrast with the first time that Philip Yeo crossed swords with Elia Diodati/AcidFlask. One reason could be that perhaps there isn’t anything very defamatory in the writings of Elia Diodati this time. The only other possible reason (and a very significant one for blogosphere) is that Mr Philip Yeo thinks that blogosphere is an entity that is to be taken seriously, and that he should exercise his right of response to air his side of the story.
Mr Philip is a very high ranking civil servant, with a glittering portfolio such as helming EDB and A*Star. His decision to engage a blogger directly is perhaps evident of a tectonic shift of the government’s opinion towards blogosphere and cyberspace in general. I would call it a watershed because it marks for the first time that a high profile government official is directly engaging a blogger on his blog. And, I cannot think of another reason why would a civil servant of such high status and importance personally respond to a blogger (who is probably comparatively lower in status and importance in society) other than that blogosphere is something to be taken seriously.
Of course, let’s not forget that the government has, not too long ago, announced an online “counter-insurgency”. Taken together with the current Elia Diodati versus Philip Yeo incident, there seems to be a signal that government thinks the blogosphere is important. Whether this is a good thing or bad thing, nobody can tell at this point in time. But, it sure is exciting. And, those who are writing a thesis on blogging or chronicling the development of Singapore blogosphere should make a note about this watershed event.
Notes:
The latest exchange between Mr Philip Yeo and Elia Diodati can be found by clicking here.
For those interested in the AcidFlask incident, more can be found by clicking here.
Correction:
I originally said AcidFlask made remarks that Philip Yeo felt was defamatory, but that was inaccurate. It was a commenter that posted defamatory remarks, and AcidFlask was held accountable for the comments. Thanks to Agagooga for pointing it out.
*** Addedudum
Mr Philip Yeo has kindly commented and presented a copy of the original blog entry by AcidFlask. It would be in the interest of everyone to read that entry to understand better the issue of defamatory remarks surrounding the whole incident between AcidFlask/Elia Diodati and A*star. The comment can be reached by clicking here.
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about 3 years ago
“His decision to engage a blogger directly is perhaps evident of a tectonic shift of the government’s opinion towards blogosphere and cyberspace in general.”
hear, hear, well said.
it was only a matter of time
about 3 years ago
Oh, so the big guns are out now…
about 3 years ago
Hmmmm…though i dun really agree with some of the stuff the fella says i must say that its good he has the courage to go into the internet and say his piece…
Assuming of course he is indeed the real Philip Yeo (Guojun hint hint):P
btw some of his arguments do bring up an interesting issue…with regards to the difference in generations…
about 3 years ago
Actually it was not AcidFlask’s posts that were considered defamatory, but a comment in one post.
about 3 years ago
Since the last election, government has been monitoring website and blogs related to politics in Singapore. Due to the fact that PAP realize how powerful cyberworld can be. It can either help you or destroy you. So PAP is very concern about these so call “Cyber Threat” That is why they have the P65 thingy which they thought might help to spread their word. Don’t think is that successful.
about 3 years ago
inspir3d,
Now I wonder who’s the next in line from the government to take on the blogosphere non-anonymously.
about 3 years ago
Stark:
If you follow the exchange, some cyber-sleuthing was done and it’s almost confirmed that the commenter under the name philip yeo is indeed the man himself. It’s towards the end of the list of comments, and the evidence was presented by Elia himself.
about 3 years ago
Agagooga,
Thanks for the clarification. I couldn’t find the exact entry in the old blog. I’ll make the correction.
about 3 years ago
Raymond,
The government has actually ignored cyberspace for a long while. Their lack of understanding of the Internet has allowed the Internet to grow tremendously, and now all they can do is perhaps damage control on their part. It’s perhaps a lucky thing for Singaporeans.
about 3 years ago
True…Elia has managed to establish beyond reasonable doubt that its the real philip yeo …that was my obsession with conspiracy theories speaking:P
about 3 years ago
The two reasons you gave are not necessarily mutually exclusive…
about 3 years ago
Hi Elia,
You have a point. However, that also means that you are of the opinion the second reason is plausible, which is a good thing for blogosphere, isn’t it?
Anyway, you replied well in the exchange. It was a very nice and mature exchange of opinions.
about 3 years ago
??????
Why can’t 2 people have a nice discussion online? Most happens to be he Chairman of some thingy. Why must we think this is some policy thingy?
Cannot it be just PY was rather bored? Or felt engaged by the sphere?
about 3 years ago
I’m not sure I’d characterise the exchange as “very nice and mature” given the flurry of ad hominem attacks being hurled about — mostly in one direction.
about 3 years ago
Philip Yeo is not representative of the whole government, don’t be stupid to think he is. The MPs of P65.sg blog are more representative of the government than he is.
about 3 years ago
Whether PY is representative of the government is of less concern to me than how much influence he has over major policies that involve millions of dollars. As of now, I don’t think the P65ers can outweigh him even when combined.
about 3 years ago
you guys even believe its the phillip yo yo?? LOL
about 3 years ago
Elia’s pretty convinced that it is Philip Yeo. See his reasons at http://diodati.omniscientx.com/2007/02/16/the-smugness-of-ignorance-i#comment-31049
about 3 years ago
Aaron:
with reference to #12, I think our exchange speaks for itself.
about 3 years ago
Read the entire exchange from start to finish. Have to say that I’m very amused with how ‘mature’ the discussion went. I have great respect for the respondents who did not take the bait and sink to new levels of personal insults. I had no doubt from his 3rd or 4th post that he was the real deal.
Shout out to kungfuzi too! It’s been ages since we last had a game of chess huh? Glad to know that you’ve done really well, like many of the people who participated in the discussion.
about 3 years ago
Ben,
Many kinds of interpretations are possible, but doesn’t take away the fact that there’s finally a high profile government official who is responding on blogosphere. I agree it might not necessarily be a policy change, but well, it’s still significant.
about 3 years ago
Kungfuzi,
I think it’s pretty civil, if we account for the fact that Philip Yeo usually speaks in a very colourful style that’s known to be his trademark.
about 3 years ago
Shoestring,
unless PY becomes a pain, I’m not going to be bothered with him.
about 3 years ago
Hahahaha civil? I read the exchange and PY (or whoever the poster is) is arrogant, shallow and anything but civil. If it was the real PY it is typical of scums like him to take on kids instead of tackling bigger guns in sammyboy forum.
about 3 years ago
After reading #15, I visited P65.sg and I must say its a BIG disappointment. Its worst than reading The Strait Times.
It is quite apparent that most of the discussions are between P65 MPs and their own gang. Lack of depth and fire.
My advice to them, especially this Palmer chap, is “Don’t blog for the sake of blogging”. Also, we dont need to know you better, just show us what you can do for fellow singaporean.
Personally, I like PY’s unique style and tongue of fire. An intellect. å¾ˆç‰›å¯æ˜¯å¾ˆæœ‰æ€§æ ¼ï¼We need more people like him in the blogosphere and less of p65.
I will stick on to Hear Ye! Hear Ye!….
about 3 years ago
You can be colourful without being uncivil. Philip Yeo was just being uncivil, which is of course hardly surprising.
Chris — nice to hear from you. Alas, I stopped playing chess a long time ago!
about 3 years ago
read the comments….
PY came across as uncouth and rude and entirely arrogant.
Quotes belows
Quote” We are the only rational chaps in an obnoxious smelling swamp full of envious, fouled mouthed small toads.
Old saying: The small frog in a deep well cannot comprehend the majesty of the ocean. Yet it croaks nosily.
Old wisdom: Never reason with the unreasonable.”
“I have been paying taxes since 1970.
My taxes per year easily fund at least 2 BS students for their 3 years of overseas studies.
You have not worked one day and have yet to pay one cent of tax. Right?
Stop pontificating.”
about 3 years ago
Shanghai-hood:
PY did not offer a single coherent argument in the comments. All poorly disguised evasions, blind trotting out of stock replies, and ad hominems. His attempt to pretend the scholar who had a mental breakdown did not exist was particularly distasteful. And finally, instead of addressing their arguments, he chooses to attack the credentials of Elia and his commenters.
The last thing the internet needs is more of that.
about 3 years ago
Twasher:
In my opinion, PY’s remarks can be rather uncouth and sometimes (or most of the time) seen to be harsh with antipathy. He may have to tone down if he wish to continue engaging bloggers in the blogosphere.
But (you may not agree with me) his style is refreshing and a better read than those from P65.
I empathise that scholar who didnt meet the 3.8 cutt off in his first semester and subsequent breaking down. And I agree with your suggestion (in other blog) that something could have been put in place in the scholarship HR system to prevent this from happening.
However, unfortunately, system is only system. It cannot be perfect. Even Toyota Motor seek Kanban (continuous improvement) to date. What A*STAR should do is to acknowledge that such case happened and seek ways to prevent a recurrence as much as they can.
It is a hard world outside, especially in the corporate. Usually, before a person is given a management position, he/she is briefed on the budget and targets expected to achieve in a given period. He/she should know very well the consequences if such expectations are not met. If this person fails, he/she may be out of the company (or even the industry) with no empathy (no 2nd chance) from the Board. Hence, for this person to survive, he/she needs to be good at what he/she’s doing and strong emotionally to pull through any (if any) hard landing.
I wish that scholar well and hope he rebounds to a greater height. Its not how hard the fall but how high the rebound that matters.
about 3 years ago
I was not asserting A* was at fault for his breakdown. Rather, I was pointing out that it was dishonest of PY to mislead readers (by pretending the person didn’t exist) rather than either
1) Giving an argument for why it was not A*’s fault (which, like you, I think is entirely possible)
or
2) Admitting that it was a mistake on their part.
That he did neither of the above, but tried to be dishonest about it, reflected quite badly on his character. It is symptomatic of the general lack of transparency in his organisation.
about 3 years ago
I also do not object to PY’s remarks being uncouth as such. I object to them because they were ad hominem. If he had presented proper arguments addressing readers’ points instead of attacking their credentials, I would have been less disappointed. Rather an uncouth but coherent argument than remarks with no substance at all, couth or uncouth.
about 3 years ago
Let me put out a more dramatic example. If someone in the company you run died due to an accident with the machinery in your factory, it would be distasteful for you to pretend that nothing happened, even if it was completely accidental and you could have done nothing to prevent it.
about 3 years ago
“I originally said AcidFlask made remarks that Philip Yeo felt was defamatory, but that was inaccurate. It was a commenter that posted defamatory remarks, and AcidFlask was held accountable for the comments.â€
For the past 2 years, Chen Jiahao/Acid Flask/Elia Diodati have been pretending that he did not what defamatory statements that he had made but nevertheless he apologized.
Now claims that “a commenter that posted defamatory remarksâ€.
A born coward. See the naked truth below.
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The Truth about the postings of Chen Jiahao/Acid Flask.
Postings by Chen Jiahao/Acid Flask at http://www.scs.uiuc.edu/~chen6/blog/pivot/entry.php?id=318 (now defunct).
caustic.soda by AcidFlask
liminal musings of a graduate student
this is “a*star in parliament” by AcidFlask at 03 03 05 – 13:03. please leave a comment.
a*star in parliament
-03 03 05 – 13:03
Science, Singapore
which is perhaps why a*star feels justified in bribing universities for taking in PhD students. staggeringly enough, the cost quoted is very likely to be grossly understated, since I have been told that a*star gives out generous funding grants to specific faculty members (to the tune of us$150k/yr or so) for accepting up to three a*star scholars into their lab, as well as giving out gobs of honey to universities who will sign back-door agreements for taking in scholars without going through the formal application procedure. to the cash-strapped universities in America, the unbelievable godsend that visiting a*star contingents herald is something they can’t get enough of/f. after all, who else would be so incredibly naive and stupid as to throw money at other people instead of investing money to fund their own local research and developing their own r&d communities?
to quote a certain high-up in a*star: “if you don’t like it, then leave!” which perhaps explains the quiet turnover of more than one a*star scholar within the last twelve months. but at last, perhaps quiet no longer.
I would gladly do so, except that my sources are very likely to suffer the kind of spiteful retributive backlash that characterizes the public service. Therefore they can only remain hearsay and rumour under the current circumstances.
[AcidFlask] (email) (link) – 03 03 05 – 17:39
Lest I set myself up for libel, let me state what I know about this.
I do not recall the exact sums involved but this is the gist of what I had been told.
A fellow alumna of UIUC once attended a Chemical Engineering class in this university sometime in 2003. The subject of the lecture somehow went on to funding crunches faced by researchers in the US due to post-9/11 budget cuts when suddenly the professor remarked: Oh, by the way, if any of you are in need of money, you should consider applying to this agency called A*STAR in Singapore. They offered me $150,000 for my research with no strings attached, plus an extra $35,000 for every one of their students that I accepted into my group. Singapore seems to be a very rich country; they have money to throw at you, all you have to do is ask for it!
[AcidFlask] (email) (link) – 03 03 05 – 20:30
going further down the list.. a*star scholars seem to know that “a certain high-up†in a*star has a tendency to recommend scholars to go to some institutions, like UIUC, U of Wisconsin, and UCSD.. perhaps it is those very schools that a*star has those connections with? and perhaps the reason for asking scholars not to go to the top universities is that they tend to be awfully expensive when it comes to tuition fees too (like Stanford, Harvard, MIT, Princeton).
[AcidFlask] ( email) (link) – 04 03 05 – 11:30
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Mon 9th May 2005
http://www.scs.uiuc.edu/~chen6/blog/
APOLOGY
I recognize and accept that a number of statements that I made on my on-line journal “Caustic Sodaâ€, in particular the blog post of 3 March 2005, were defamatory of A*STAR, its Chairman, Mr. Philip Yeo and its executive officers.
I admit and acknowledge that these statements are false and completely without any foundation.
I unreservedly apologize to A*STAR, its Chairman Mr. Philip Yeo, and its executive officers for the distress and embarrassment caused to them by these statements.
I undertake not to repeat the statements, or make further statements of the same or similar effect in this or any other forum or media. I further undertake to remove any such posting anywhere that has not been deleted.
about 3 years ago
See http://www.a-star.edu.sg/astar/attach/textlet/0e44d2035bWE/(US)NSS(PhD)_Scholars‘_Choice_of_Uni_20062007_US.pdf
about 3 years ago
“I originally said AcidFlask made remarks that Philip Yeo felt was defamatory, but that was inaccurate. It was a commenter that posted defamatory remarks, and AcidFlask was held accountable for the comments.â€
For the past 2 years, Chen Jiahao/Acid Flask/Elia Diodati have been pretending that he did not know what defamatory statements that he had made but nevertheless he apologized.
Now claims that “a commenter that posted defamatory remarksâ€.
A born coward.
See the earlier posting.
about 3 years ago
Dear Mr Yeo,
Thank you for presenting the excerpt from the defunct blog, which I’ve been looking for but without success for a while. I will add it on to my original entry in the interest of free and fair speech so that everyone can come to a decision for themselves on this issue.
about 3 years ago
Facts of case.
Case was awarded the NSS (BS) scholarship to study Physics at UIUC in Fall 2002 under the purview of the Science and Engineering Council (SERC) led by Prof. C C Hang, then Deputy President, NUS and then Deputy Chm, A*STAR.
Obtained GPA of 4.0 for Fall 2002 exams.
GPA slipped to 3.56 in Spring 2003 exams.
Issued with a Letter of Warning (for GPA below 3.6) for that semester as per stipulated conditions in the letter of scholarship offer in early 2002.
Told his scholarship officer that he was overly involved in too many extra curricular affairs and neglected his studies.
Obtained C grades for the two Math papers only that he took in Fall 2003 exams.
Returned to Singapore on 29 Dec 2003 for Xmas break.
Withdrew from A*STAR scholarship on 29 Jan 2004
On 24 Feb 2004, chap was admitted to the Inpatient Psychiatric Adult Service at the Pavilion, Illinois, for evaluation and treatment.
Discharged on 5 Mar 2004. Diagnosis stated in the report: Bipolar disorder, manic.
Reportedly returned to Singapore in Mar 2004 for enrollment into NUS.
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twasher UNITED STATES // Mar 2, 2007 at 3:07 am
Let me put out a more dramatic example. If someone in the company you run died due to an accident with the machinery in your factory, it would be distasteful for you to pretend that nothing happened, even if it was completely accidental and you could have done nothing to prevent it.
about 3 years ago
http://www.a-star.edu.sg/astar/attach/textlet/0e44d2035bWE/(US)NSS(PhD)_Scholars‘_Choice_of_Uni_20062007_US.pdf
about 3 years ago
Good. Adios from site.
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Dear Mr Yeo,
Thank you for presenting the excerpt from the defunct blog, which I’ve been looking for but without success for a while. I will add it on to my original entry in the interest of free and fair speech so that everyone can come to a decision for themselves on this issue.
about 3 years ago
Twasher,
It would be interesting to hear your opinion on the case of the student who had a mental breakdown, now that the facts of case has been presented.
about 3 years ago
Aaron,
I really dont think this is the real Philip Yeo. It seems incredible that a civil servant, let alone a senior one like him will take the time to trawl through all the comments and write so many comments himself, complete with hyperlinks to relevant docs (which in my experience take quite a long time to find).
I’ve read Elia’s “reasons for believing” but I still can’t believe it. I’ve worked in the civil service before. Replies from the bosses there never exceed one line. Besides, the USA flag beside his posts on your site suggest that the poster is in the US, no?
The only remote possibility is that Philip Yeo has gotten one of his “kah kia” to write on his behalf…but even that doesn’t make sense. Why would he risk his having kah kia say something wrong and ruining his (Yeo’s) reputation?
about 3 years ago
There was some investigative work done, and after consolidating all the messages, I’m pretty sure it’s Mr Yeo himself. He is indeed away in the United States now. He even asked Elia if he’s willing to meet for coffee. You can track the exchange on Elia’s blog.
about 3 years ago
Mr Yeo,
Thank you for finally putting the facts of the mental case out in the open. As I said to Shanghai-hood, I am not judging whether it’s A*’s fault or the scholar’s own weakness. Even the facts you present can’t tell me whether the scholar had bipolar disorder because of A*’s haranguing or because of his own preexisting mental problems. But it is refreshing for once not to be playing a game of denial and boxing with shadows.
about 3 years ago
Gerald,
I think the fact that at least two of the comments by ‘philip yeo’ were emailed to Elia before they were posted on his blog is decisive evidence in favour of his being PY.
Also, I think it’s obvious from Yeo’s infamous remarks on test-tube washers, NSmen, etc., in the past that he doesn’t really care about his reputation amongst Singaporeans.
about 3 years ago
—!facts of the exchange!—
1. PY is incapable of addressing the concerns brought up by the academic community on the issue of the A* scholarship
2. PY behavior is rude, uncivilized and down right disgraceful for a senior civil servant paper pusher
about 3 years ago
I hope I’m wrong and you’re right. Because that’ll be great that he’s engaging blogosphere. Yes, I did read the trail of posts on Elia’s blog before I made my assessment. I’m quite amazed, really.
about 3 years ago
I think if you are so free to really answer to all these question on a blog, Why not try to make things better and make everyone respect you even more. Seriously, someone who has been living in these world longer then me should understand the fact that if you did the right thing ppl will respect you.Rumors don’t spread on its own. There is always somethings that trigger. Even our Great leader MM Lee admit his mistakes. So even till now I still respect him.
about 3 years ago
The Truth hurts?
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Elia Diodati UNITED STATES // Mar 5, 2007 at 9:43 am
“I undertake not to repeat the statements, or make further statements of the same or similar effect in this or any other forum or media. I further undertake to remove any such posting anywhere that has not been deleted.â€
Â
Aaron,
under the terms of what I had agreed to, I must ask you to remove the excerpted statements from this blog post and the relevant comment on the post dated Feb 27th, since I do not have the direct power to do so.
about 3 years ago
As a recent graduate from Georgia Tech, I feel like making some comments on the qualifying GPA of 3.8 set by A*STAR.
I’ve taken altogether 21 courses during my 4-year ph.d. study and my GPA is 4.0. Although I am proud of my perfect GPA, I understand that there is such a thing called GPA inflation. It is not too diffcult to get A from a graduate class nowadays, especially from a small class. As long as you do your homework and projects, the professors will be very kind and generous to give you an A.
Having said that, I always believe there are two types of good students: one is with good academic results and the other is those students who drop from the schools. The second type of students normally are so smart that they don’t want to waste their time at school and instead go directly to the society and set up their own companies. If you believe you are the second type, don’t apply any scholarship in the first place. If you are the first type, don’t cry after you fail 3.8.
about 3 years ago
The Coming Days of Singapore, My cock will be very much sharper, leaner, better for all you people of Singapore. Up, Up, and the Way, boys