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		<title>By: Speranza Nuova</title>
		<link>http://aaron-ng.info/blog/illegal-wireless-access-guilty-of-abetment.html/comment-page-1#comment-6584</link>
		<dc:creator>Speranza Nuova</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jan 2007 20:34:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Aaron (and fellow commentators), :-)

I am not sure how applicable the skimpy dressing analogy is to all this -- unless one perhaps introduces a third party, who decides whether people are sent out in public naked by default.

In short, we might wish to explore the role of the wireless router manufacturers, since they have specified an unsecured network as the &lt;i&gt;default&lt;/i&gt; configuration.

Perhaps it is time for manufacturers (and industry consortia) to change their position on this?

I&#039;ve tried to analyse the wireless access policy conundrum in an article on Singapore Angle, and it&#039;d be great to hear from you on the matter... :-)

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.singaporeangle.com/2007/01/mooch_ado_about_something_ille.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Mooch Ado About Something: Illegal Wireless Access&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Aaron (and fellow commentators), <img src='http://aaron-ng.info/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I am not sure how applicable the skimpy dressing analogy is to all this &#8212; unless one perhaps introduces a third party, who decides whether people are sent out in public naked by default.</p>
<p>In short, we might wish to explore the role of the wireless router manufacturers, since they have specified an unsecured network as the <i>default</i> configuration.</p>
<p>Perhaps it is time for manufacturers (and industry consortia) to change their position on this?</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve tried to analyse the wireless access policy conundrum in an article on Singapore Angle, and it&#8217;d be great to hear from you on the matter&#8230; <img src='http://aaron-ng.info/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p><a href="http://www.singaporeangle.com/2007/01/mooch_ado_about_something_ille.html" rel="nofollow">Mooch Ado About Something: Illegal Wireless Access</a></p>
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		<title>By: Just_Passin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Just_Passin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Dec 2006 02:37:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I too, feel that the comparison in this particular 2 analogies are not well made. 

As it is already stated elsewhere, wifi gives implicit sharing permission when unsecured. A person dressed skimpily, or naked, for that matters, has not implicitly consented to be violated. 

That person may be looking for someone to share a good time, but still have the right to refuse. By securing your wifi, you are exercising the right to not give consent to share.

The cleric&#039;s statement about skimpy women is just an age old excuse. A lady friend said, &quot;females dress mostly not to impress males, but other females&quot;. When a person is considering to violate another, clothes is not really an issue. 

I would consider it equivalent to hacking into secured wifi, and then claiming that I did it because I think that I should not ever pay to use the internet.

My stand: this is a silly case. No one should have even been dragged to the police station because of this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I too, feel that the comparison in this particular 2 analogies are not well made. </p>
<p>As it is already stated elsewhere, wifi gives implicit sharing permission when unsecured. A person dressed skimpily, or naked, for that matters, has not implicitly consented to be violated. </p>
<p>That person may be looking for someone to share a good time, but still have the right to refuse. By securing your wifi, you are exercising the right to not give consent to share.</p>
<p>The cleric&#8217;s statement about skimpy women is just an age old excuse. A lady friend said, &#8220;females dress mostly not to impress males, but other females&#8221;. When a person is considering to violate another, clothes is not really an issue. </p>
<p>I would consider it equivalent to hacking into secured wifi, and then claiming that I did it because I think that I should not ever pay to use the internet.</p>
<p>My stand: this is a silly case. No one should have even been dragged to the police station because of this.</p>
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		<title>By: lassie</title>
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		<dc:creator>lassie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Dec 2006 09:30:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why self censor? I doesn&#039;t take alot of brain juice to see what happens when there is a free for all.

I am personally not going to take sides because I am new to blogging in Singapore and I dont really know the personalities of those involved.

I don&#039;t really see anything interesting about the development of this sphere except perhaps conclude. One must really take responsibility for one&#039;s actions. I think a large part of it has to do with ego and having delusions of being larger than life. The really confident people in my view, do not really need to project their influence. From what I have seen in the blogging comminity, the really confident people are those who dont even feel the need to defend themselves when others criticize them. Typically they dont go after everyone...sorry that is what I meant to say. They are also people who are not afraid to demonstrate their expressive side even if it requires them to be very honest by sharing with us the limits of their vulnerability and weaknesses. I enjoy reading about these things as it allows me to learn more about myself by being able to read other people&#039;s confessions. Of course sometimes, I am a bit naive and tend to swallow everything hook, line and sinker, so this is one way to develop my street smartness.

I once asked my kong kong which was harder to do, to hate or ignore someone. He replied, if you hate someone, it just means you think about that person in a particular way. But if you choose to ignore someone, you would have to forget yourself, him, events, places, people etc and this naturally means ignoring someone or treating them like dead is 10 times harder to do. So I asked my kong what was the easiest thing to do, he just said, love them and when I asked why? He said, because it doesnt take any energy to love and understand someone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why self censor? I doesn&#8217;t take alot of brain juice to see what happens when there is a free for all.</p>
<p>I am personally not going to take sides because I am new to blogging in Singapore and I dont really know the personalities of those involved.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t really see anything interesting about the development of this sphere except perhaps conclude. One must really take responsibility for one&#8217;s actions. I think a large part of it has to do with ego and having delusions of being larger than life. The really confident people in my view, do not really need to project their influence. From what I have seen in the blogging comminity, the really confident people are those who dont even feel the need to defend themselves when others criticize them. Typically they dont go after everyone&#8230;sorry that is what I meant to say. They are also people who are not afraid to demonstrate their expressive side even if it requires them to be very honest by sharing with us the limits of their vulnerability and weaknesses. I enjoy reading about these things as it allows me to learn more about myself by being able to read other people&#8217;s confessions. Of course sometimes, I am a bit naive and tend to swallow everything hook, line and sinker, so this is one way to develop my street smartness.</p>
<p>I once asked my kong kong which was harder to do, to hate or ignore someone. He replied, if you hate someone, it just means you think about that person in a particular way. But if you choose to ignore someone, you would have to forget yourself, him, events, places, people etc and this naturally means ignoring someone or treating them like dead is 10 times harder to do. So I asked my kong what was the easiest thing to do, he just said, love them and when I asked why? He said, because it doesnt take any energy to love and understand someone.</p>
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		<title>By: censor</title>
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		<dc:creator>censor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Dec 2006 23:31:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and those confident ones are those who knows automatically when they have crossed the boundaries. Ahhhh....the fiery vigour of youth. self censorship ? What for? Should Aaron have censored himself and not write the post and the analogy (rightly or wrongly?) Should Dr have self censored, held back and not demand an apology? Like Dr Huang said - why self censor? It is interesting how this sphere will develop with time....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and those confident ones are those who knows automatically when they have crossed the boundaries. Ahhhh&#8230;.the fiery vigour of youth. self censorship ? What for? Should Aaron have censored himself and not write the post and the analogy (rightly or wrongly?) Should Dr have self censored, held back and not demand an apology? Like Dr Huang said &#8211; why self censor? It is interesting how this sphere will develop with time&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: montburan</title>
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		<dc:creator>montburan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Dec 2006 04:06:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By demanding an apology, he thinks, he is God almighty. Demanding an apology on the net only goes to say a few things. One you dont know how to defend yourself or you cannot roll with the punches or you are just like two fleas arguing abt who owns the dog.

The really confident people in the net and those who just give as good as they take</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By demanding an apology, he thinks, he is God almighty. Demanding an apology on the net only goes to say a few things. One you dont know how to defend yourself or you cannot roll with the punches or you are just like two fleas arguing abt who owns the dog.</p>
<p>The really confident people in the net and those who just give as good as they take</p>
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		<title>By: tc</title>
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		<dc:creator>tc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Dec 2006 12:51:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aaron, I learnt so much from Dr Huang and from you. Stop, look, listen, reflect. That way, we all grow. Thanks and I am amazed at your level of &#039;maturity&#039; and my own immaturity. Wee-wee was really matured too - with zero EQ, and I learnt so much from her too! Thanks and a merry Christmas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aaron, I learnt so much from Dr Huang and from you. Stop, look, listen, reflect. That way, we all grow. Thanks and I am amazed at your level of &#8216;maturity&#8217; and my own immaturity. Wee-wee was really matured too &#8211; with zero EQ, and I learnt so much from her too! Thanks and a merry Christmas.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron Ng</title>
		<link>http://aaron-ng.info/blog/illegal-wireless-access-guilty-of-abetment.html/comment-page-1#comment-5423</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron Ng</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Dec 2006 04:55:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TC,

You are another clear example of my little experiment with this entry that most Singaporeans are not ready for freedom of expression and mature discussion. For some weird reason, Singaporeans cannot distinguish what constitutes a strongly worded entry and a &quot;personal attack&quot;. If Singaporeans cannot even see beneath the surface for the substance and choose instead to jump at the surface meaning, it&#039;s small wonder why the government needs to control us so tightly.

I think you need to read in between the lines, rather than to take the words at face value. The context should also be examined. If it wasn&#039;t a muslim cleric but say a respectable world leader who made that comment, would anyone jump? If the context was not referring to women and rape, would anyone jump? Why is it that people won&#039;t get upset if there is no perceived threat to their ego, even though the premise of the argument is unchanged?

Lastly, I issue the apology because it was my own inadequate phrasing of the sentence that might have given the wrong impression, which is indeed true. However, as Dr Huang himself noted, the analogy he made and the analogy the muslim cleric made are &quot;not dissimilar&quot;. What then is your beef with people coming to my blog to deny the same thoughts I have? The issue isn&#039;t even about the analogy. You are pointing your gun in the wrong direction.

I don&#039;t really care what you think about me. If this is the level that Singaporeans can conduct free speech with, I think we are not ready for democracy. I have made it clear in my original entry that it&#039;s my assumption and my extrapolation, and whether people choose to believe or not, that&#039;s their problem. I have not stated for a fact that Dr Huang is of a certain character; I merely extended the argument with a similar analogy, which is a pretty normal way of arguing. In fact, I salute Dr Huang for being able to hold an argument so well, despite the little emotional response right at the start. As for you, I think you have a little more to learn from Dr Huang.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TC,</p>
<p>You are another clear example of my little experiment with this entry that most Singaporeans are not ready for freedom of expression and mature discussion. For some weird reason, Singaporeans cannot distinguish what constitutes a strongly worded entry and a &#8220;personal attack&#8221;. If Singaporeans cannot even see beneath the surface for the substance and choose instead to jump at the surface meaning, it&#8217;s small wonder why the government needs to control us so tightly.</p>
<p>I think you need to read in between the lines, rather than to take the words at face value. The context should also be examined. If it wasn&#8217;t a muslim cleric but say a respectable world leader who made that comment, would anyone jump? If the context was not referring to women and rape, would anyone jump? Why is it that people won&#8217;t get upset if there is no perceived threat to their ego, even though the premise of the argument is unchanged?</p>
<p>Lastly, I issue the apology because it was my own inadequate phrasing of the sentence that might have given the wrong impression, which is indeed true. However, as Dr Huang himself noted, the analogy he made and the analogy the muslim cleric made are &#8220;not dissimilar&#8221;. What then is your beef with people coming to my blog to deny the same thoughts I have? The issue isn&#8217;t even about the analogy. You are pointing your gun in the wrong direction.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t really care what you think about me. If this is the level that Singaporeans can conduct free speech with, I think we are not ready for democracy. I have made it clear in my original entry that it&#8217;s my assumption and my extrapolation, and whether people choose to believe or not, that&#8217;s their problem. I have not stated for a fact that Dr Huang is of a certain character; I merely extended the argument with a similar analogy, which is a pretty normal way of arguing. In fact, I salute Dr Huang for being able to hold an argument so well, despite the little emotional response right at the start. As for you, I think you have a little more to learn from Dr Huang.</p>
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		<title>By: tc</title>
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		<dc:creator>tc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Dec 2006 00:40:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill said - I feel that in the first place Dr Huang shouldnâ€™t have used words like â€ â€¦stoop so low to win â€¦.â€ and â€œâ€¦.. how far people like you will go to support their own egosâ€ on Aaron. If every comment someone make on his postings receive such treatment it shows either he is too emotional or blogging is not the appropriate forum for him to exchange views. it does not matter whether one is old or young, it is how you treat and respect each other in your argument!

I feel that aaron thought of something, and wrote about it, and Dr Huang has every right to his feelings and reply. Not knowing Dr Huang, Aaron was ascribing such thoughts and views on Dr Huang - please, if Dr Huang does not come out strongly, what does it say about him? And to think that Aaron was &#039;surprised at his response&#039; - Aaron - grow up. Yuo wrote, and you got an appropriate response, and I think your apology - quite half f*cked lah.....quite like the Wee wees. Your last para in your apology again show you to be a smart ass and undid all your apology. Just apologise and keep it short. I don&#039;t know - with this style of writing you can write all types of analogy about other people and everyone has to get on your blog to deny having the same thoughts that you have??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill said &#8211; I feel that in the first place Dr Huang shouldnâ€™t have used words like â€ â€¦stoop so low to win â€¦.â€ and â€œâ€¦.. how far people like you will go to support their own egosâ€ on Aaron. If every comment someone make on his postings receive such treatment it shows either he is too emotional or blogging is not the appropriate forum for him to exchange views. it does not matter whether one is old or young, it is how you treat and respect each other in your argument!</p>
<p>I feel that aaron thought of something, and wrote about it, and Dr Huang has every right to his feelings and reply. Not knowing Dr Huang, Aaron was ascribing such thoughts and views on Dr Huang &#8211; please, if Dr Huang does not come out strongly, what does it say about him? And to think that Aaron was &#8217;surprised at his response&#8217; &#8211; Aaron &#8211; grow up. Yuo wrote, and you got an appropriate response, and I think your apology &#8211; quite half f*cked lah&#8230;..quite like the Wee wees. Your last para in your apology again show you to be a smart ass and undid all your apology. Just apologise and keep it short. I don&#8217;t know &#8211; with this style of writing you can write all types of analogy about other people and everyone has to get on your blog to deny having the same thoughts that you have??</p>
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		<title>By: sad man</title>
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		<dc:creator>sad man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Dec 2006 00:20:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr Huang, I read your blog and I like it. Aaron, I read your blog and I like it too. Still if I read Aaron rightly, it seems I can also conveniently and lazily extrapolate that Dr Huang is probably the type that will rape girls and blame the girls for being skimpily dressed. Still a blog is where if you are not careful, you can cause a lot of frustration, so Aaron, as part of the learning curve, do be careful. Why is Dr Huang so upset? I guess if I am Dr Huang, I would too. It is a joy to read Dr Huang&#039;s blog, to have him share his heart, and it is so easy for people to misunderstand him and write pretty nasty things about him. And I do agree that those idiots who do not set up passwords on their wifi are just idiotic - unless they are deliberately being generous - then I say thank you to them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr Huang, I read your blog and I like it. Aaron, I read your blog and I like it too. Still if I read Aaron rightly, it seems I can also conveniently and lazily extrapolate that Dr Huang is probably the type that will rape girls and blame the girls for being skimpily dressed. Still a blog is where if you are not careful, you can cause a lot of frustration, so Aaron, as part of the learning curve, do be careful. Why is Dr Huang so upset? I guess if I am Dr Huang, I would too. It is a joy to read Dr Huang&#8217;s blog, to have him share his heart, and it is so easy for people to misunderstand him and write pretty nasty things about him. And I do agree that those idiots who do not set up passwords on their wifi are just idiotic &#8211; unless they are deliberately being generous &#8211; then I say thank you to them.</p>
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		<title>By: Jewel Jade</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jewel Jade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Dec 2006 15:01:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If everyone were to discuss issues without attacking the 
character of the person who brings out or responds to an 
issue, I think the discussion would be more beneficial.
However, once someone tries to or by insinuation attacks another&#039;s character, rightly or wrongly, the discussion would most likely get heated up and distracted from the main issue.  So, if we can all observe a certain degree of caution in what we type/say, a lot of inconvenience would be avoided.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If everyone were to discuss issues without attacking the<br />
character of the person who brings out or responds to an<br />
issue, I think the discussion would be more beneficial.<br />
However, once someone tries to or by insinuation attacks another&#8217;s character, rightly or wrongly, the discussion would most likely get heated up and distracted from the main issue.  So, if we can all observe a certain degree of caution in what we type/say, a lot of inconvenience would be avoided.</p>
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