Comments, opinions and an occasional ramble
Low income and corporate tax = more investments?
After reading some of the reactions to my previous post titled “Robbing Peter to pay Peter” detailing the math of how GST affects the poor, I think I need to express my opinion against those who are pro-GST.
For those who argue that GST is not regressive, I beg to differ. There’s a huge difference between the kinds of goods that the rich can spend on and the poor can spend on. The rich can easily compensate for an increase in GST by scaling back some of their purchases much more easily than the poor. The rich can buy a few less Mercedes, Rolexes, condominiums, or eat less of Lawry’s Prime Ribs. Do you expect the poor to pay one less month of electricity bill, skip visits to the doctor, or eat one less meal a day in order to compensate for the loss of spending income?
I’ve also pointed out in a comment to someone in the previous post that implementing GST is not the solution to help the poor. Remember Mr Tan Jee Suan? So what if we collect another few hundred millions extra of money if the money is not going to the right people? Is the problem not having enough money to help the poor? It’s an attractive proposal to raise funds to help the poor, but it will not solve the problem of helping the poor if our social safety nets have holes that allow people to slip through. I can’t help but remember NKF. Under Mr Durai, they were damn good in raising money. However, did more money help more people? No. It went to some of his cronies and the infamous gold tap.
The worst argument in my opinion is that low income and corporate tax equals to more foreign investments. By extension, using such an argument means that countries with high corporate and income tax will have little investments, and no rich people as well. Why would the rich want to stay in a place where corporate and income tax is high? Let’s take a look at the tax rates of some developed countries, taken from Worldwide-tax.com
 Ultimately, the decision for rich people to invest in or move to another country is dependent on many factors, not just taxes. Many countries have taxes far higher than us, but yet rich people are still willing to stay there. Have we asked ourselves why is that so? Instead of always adopting a pragmatic (and stale) approach of cutting costs (and hurting your own citizens in the process) to attract investments, what else can we do? Why is it that even with such low taxes, investors worldwide are not flooding Singapore with capital?
I am not against the idea of generating more funds to help the poor. I am against the idea of increasing GST, or even having GST for that matter. America and Hong Kong have no GST, but their economies are not in a state of thrash. I think we should not always be looking at the economists to solve the problems of the economy. There’s only so much that money can do, and people do not always make decisions based on money. Tell George Soros to park all his wealth in Singapore and see what he would say.
I think the Singapore government should start consulting the sociologists, the political scientists and the psychologists in conjuction with the economists to make decisions for our future. Singapore is too small to compete solely on cost.
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about 3 years ago
You are indeed very quick.
Kwok Heng can’t express himself very well in text; only in visuals.
ta,
kh
about 3 years ago
Call it passion. I can’t work if I have no interest in what I’m doing. I’ll be totally dysfunctional. I guess it’s just in my character.
about 3 years ago
Thanks for the clear piece pointing out that GST is not progressive and coporate tax in palce of other forms of taxation may not decisively discourage foreign investments. As for your suggestion for the government to consult academics, I am not hopeful.
I suspect it has to do with the technocratic practical mindset that loathes being encumbered by scholarly bickering and deference to the occupants of the ivory towers. Just look at how the MOE chose to define “native speakers”, “first language”, “second language” and “mother tongue”. It would make any linguist cringe. But so what?
about 3 years ago
For a more balanced view, check out this two other links:
Who should pay for the poor Singaporeans?
The Economics of GST – Robbing Peter to pay Peter?
Both Bernard and Bartholomew made very good cases for the increase in GST. While I do not fully agree with them, their points are very valid and should be considered in conjunction with mine. The diversity of opinions in cyberspace is wonderful for intellectual development.
about 3 years ago
Hi Aaron,
That tax chart is a lovely addition. The obvious irony is that Australia has higher taxes all round, yet plently of Singaporeans are flocking there permanently. Why? The answer is obvious….
about 3 years ago
Nice article – but just one minor correction.
USA does have GST – its called sales tax- but it differs from state to state, and from county to county. In the place I am in, I have to pay 8.1% tax on most purchases. I think it is about 10% in parts of california as well.
about 3 years ago
Hi SG in American,
I believe the website I took the information from did not count VAT/GST unless it’s a federal tax. Thanks for the clarification. It makes an even more compelling case as to why Bill Gates and Warren Buffet are still staying in America despite all the taxes they have to pay. Given Singapore’s logic, Gates and Buffet should be singing Majulah Singapura.
about 3 years ago
It look like gov keeping finding someone to blame but never themselves. It is a sign of incompetency or weak leadership ? U decide.
The list of blames goes on:
terrorist, globalization, Singaporean, lack of baby, poor and needy, and now the riches and elite etc, and next time blame on company.
it definitely not wise to screw own ppl and entity that helps to build the nations.
perhaps the leaders can come out better answers given their huge salary and intelligence.
Singaporean has been educated and intelligent, and no longer can accept lame excuse, “stories” anymore. They can judge better.
about 3 years ago
The rosy picture is based on what THEY said. But what is the real picture? If there are misrepresentations in what we have heard, we are definitely going to get some hard knocks when the reality sets in. I sense that the books did not balance properly. At this point, we are facing some dangers that are hidden and we are not forewarned of these dangers (due to our brilliant high level planning). All government moves and assurances have some underlying implications, that even members of the party do not know. It is prudent that we, at this point in time, control how we spend our money. It would not be long that they will use steps to increase consumer spending. It would be possible that income tax reliefs will be lessen. Feb 2007 – budget speech, Apr 2007 – tax return, bonus (if any) in Dec/Jan period. Parliament in Nov 2006. For them, timing is everything. It could be the social divide incidents present an excuse for the tax increase. Chaos turned into opportunities, this could be why the reason for the increase was so “lame”, as there was no time to spin a more concrete stand for the increase. Just some random thoughts…
about 3 years ago
I won’t mind other countries’ high tax as long as i have freedom to not vote them if i’m not happy, and we can protest if it is not justified. That’s clearly send a message to that ruling country party not to act funny or own agenda.
But in Singapore, the election has pre-determined, and you are not happy with unfairness, u are asked to move on and stop complaining. Ironically, gov says u can’t protest, and yet if u don’t protest, gov say that u agree with policy. Isn’t the statement issue by LKY and LHL clear enough ?? I recall the statement that say “People support cpf cut” and “shin corp can stand scrutiny. No one doubt that”.
Loathe of BS. If they can stand scrutiny, then what the hurry for LHL to go thailand to ask for “QuickFine and Move on” ???
It’s time the leaders stop insulting the intelligence of Singaporean and to use the name of democracy to continue to exploit us. We are Singaporean not puppets. We are human not robots/android that can be reprogrammed to suit someone’s own agenda.
We have brains much larger than what PAP thinks we lack.
about 3 years ago
These gahmen treating us like baby. They said we need media control, espoused freedom of speech, need protection, need this and need that, but does not need information to know about how country is gov and resource used up ??? Then why ask Singaporean to be more entrepreneurial, since baby lack experience and knowledge, and need care ???? Double-standard message is what they capable of giving.
about 3 years ago
It really doesn’t matter if GST is good or bad for the nation if at the end of day, much of it is just “lame” excuses to pay of bulk of it for “thai fine” and “huge ill investment” like optus, Shin”Corpse”. Debate can go long way, but all these are just plain distraction if the core reasons is all about paying for “screw-uped money”.
The increment plan is obviously done in a short time and this obviously show by number of lame reasons that perhaps “cannot stand scrutiny”.
With no accountability and transparency, bulk of money goes into paying all these “screw-up money”, and the promise and manifesto end up nothing because they have lack of fund to fulfil that and then pass other factors such as “globalization, economy. terrorist, blah an blah” as accountability. It is so easy to blame on these factors, because just one line can say it all. Why need an MP, PM, MM to say this, a three years old kid can say it well, loud and clear.
Hope that WP opp give us clearer pictures when they ask gov for this accountability, and perhaps that our last hope.
about 3 years ago
In other words, we waiting for the “brutal truth”
about 3 years ago
“PM Lee said the GST report would come with a package weighted in favor of lower income Singaporeans.
“When we implement the GST increase, it’s not a GST increase, it’s a package which will fully offset the impact of GST for these groups and begin to strengthen the safety nets and tilt the balance in favor of the lower income Singaporeans,” said Lee, according to radio station 938Live.
Lee also said income tax rates could be lowered in future, 938Live reported.”
WauLau! I thought the above statement only appear in http://www.talkingcock.com only. Never thought it appear in every news , media now.
about 3 years ago
Look like http://www.talkingcock.com will face strong competition from the gahmen.
about 3 years ago
Just 2 comments:
1) the poor in singapore already don’t pay income tax (especially for those with income below a certain level)
so any lowering of income tax isn’t going to compensate or help this group of people.
2) any ‘adjustment’ or packages for the poor has to come from cash rebates or some monetary injection, pretty much like the progress package. However this cannot be one off.
Let’s hear what our gahment has to say in months ahead.
about 3 years ago
The reason, as our dear govt has pointed out umpteen times, why other countries can have high taxes and yet retain investments is because they have either natural resources or a large consumer/manpower market. That is why Singapore and Hong Kong, who don’t have these, have to tax less to compete.
about 3 years ago
Well passerby,
I don’t buy that argument. If our taxes are so attractive, should companies and rich people want to make Singapore their home base to take advantage of the tax laws? I’m not even questioning why people are investing in Singapore. I am questioning why are they not even coming here to just park their money even.
about 3 years ago
“I am questioning why are they not even coming here to just park their money even.”
Maybe its because as a clean money investor you don’t want to mix the legit money with the not so legit money. You’d be taking on additional risk.
If a rapid capital flight out of Singapore ever occurs, the not so legit money will be the first to be withdrawn from the economy, leaving the clean money to “carry the black wok”
about 3 years ago
Unfortunately even though the US has no GST, most states have sales tax, ranging from 0-11% or more.
about 3 years ago
Hmm.. you changed topic pretty quickly. Who says they aren’t coming here to park their money? Didn’t you read what Andy Xie said?
about 3 years ago
Hi passerby,
I was referring to the people who are rich and staying in developed countries whose standards are comparable to ours, but the taxes are way higher than us. I’m sorry if I did not make myself clear.
I’m also sorry that I did not take up the earlier point. My apologies. It is true that some other countries have natural resources. That is undeniable. As for larger consumer markets, I believe that the smaller Scandinavian countries have populations not much bigger than us but yet they tax more, and their people still stay there.
There is no clear answer to the question of taxes. Even the economists are not in complete agreement over what’s the best way to tax. My opinion, as stated in my conclusion in this entry is that while taxes are important, people don’t just make decisions on the basis of money or economic efficiency. There are other things to consider.
about 3 years ago
As an economist, I would like to say that economist defined GST (a direct tax) as a regressive tax. In my opinion, if they really wnat to help the poor they should cut GST for essential goods like rice, milk powder and cooking oil and have higher GST for luxury goods. This is because it affects the rich less as the increase in tax is a smaller proportion of their income.
Alternatively, they should raise income tax for the higher income group.
This is what I call progressive. In another words not regressive.
about 3 years ago
“As for larger consumer markets, I believe that the smaller Scandinavian countries have populations not much bigger than us but yet they tax more, and their people still stay there.”
I would just like to strengthen aaron’s above point. It is true that the Scandinavian countries have a small consumer market. For exampl, the population in Sweden is 9million now.
about 3 years ago
Pai sei…. In my haste, I made a mistake in the 9.17pm comment. It should be;
“As an economist, I would like to say that economist defined GST (a indirect tax) as a regressive tax. In my opinion, if they really wnat to help the poor they should cut GST for essential goods like rice, milk powder and cooking oil and have higher GST for luxury goods. This is because it affects the rich less as the increase in tax is a smaller proportion of their income.
Alternatively, they should raise income tax for the higher income group.
This is what I call progressive. In another words not regressive. “
about 3 years ago
Hi Charissa,
Have not seen you comment in a while. Looks like the end of semester must have been hectic for you.
Well, the debate goes on, with both aye and nay sayers talking about the issue. Who says Singaporeans are apathetic bunch? :p
about 3 years ago
Dear Aaron,
Singaporeans ARE an apathetic bunch. We only know how to whine online and in coffeeshops under the umbrella of annonymity. Ask any of the Uncles sitting around in the kopitiam to vocalise publically, and he’ll say ‘aiyah, dun wan la, scali get arrested or sued’. Same thing for us online. We bitch and bitch and bitch, and at the end of the day, only 33.4% of us actually try to do something about it. And what about all those walkover constiuencies?
If the government really wanted to see if their mandate is supported, the voting cards should be printed ‘PAP, WP, SDP, Not PAP’
Sadly, it’s not like the opposition party is of much use. Still, I’m glad I’ve done my part in trying to vote in an opposition.
about 3 years ago
aaron. good point abt why the rich are not coming in large number like for instance…soaking up thousands of unsold pte properties in the market if what we were made to believe were true.
why? not too difficult to postulate. apart from no natural resources, we are faced with an aging and diminishing population. our demography is more of bane than gain especially being at the tip of northern excretion. economy too vulnerable and most recently, has taken much longer to recover from recession. legalistic,dictatorial and a paternistic governnment not exactly popular even outside of sg. over reliant on FTs for such a small state which is not a good thing. attractions mostly man made unlike larger continents , which we’re trying to emulate, are blessed with natural and historical attractions – and much cheaper to maintain too. too money minded and money driven that result in a constipated society with pseudo social graces. political domination by a single party or persons constricting to wealthy liberals. plus a whole load of other micro/macro inconsistency etc etc too depressing to mention!
finally, it needs an ideological overhaul which is not forth coming.
in short, bleak!
about 3 years ago
Hi insens,
I think we cannot make such a general blanket statement about Singaporeans. We are the fruit of the seeds sown by the government. Well, most people are. I’ll examine this more closely soon.
I’m glad you did your part though. I had a walkover in my GRC.
about 3 years ago
Hi observer,
Being small is always a challenge. While David did manage to slay Goliath, I think in reality, that is seldom true. The PAP government has done well so far to help us defy the odds, but it is getting increasing hard to do so, partly because of factors outside their control, such as globalisation, and partly because the PAP is too entrenched in the way that they are used to in doing things. We need greater transparency, accountability and gurantee of certain basic rights if we want to continue beating the odds.
about 3 years ago
Like most ppl here. I very appreciated of what gov done in the past. The security, infrastructure, etc. But you can’t help thinking that all this is progressively come at expense of the layman now, especially, in the last few years, u see gov privatized this and that, carpark , transport etc, and yet never disclosed anything that seem sensible to the public. How can a gov use a public money for companies that run as privatized company with gov-linked and not unaccountable is beyond my understanding, and result in a loss, underplay it, and move on. When this happen to other countries, the ppl will have resort to revolt and overthrow the gov. But it seem like gov here setup law to prevent this recently under the pretext of terrorist group.
I can only hope that there is real substance under the foundation of Singapore, and whole system collapsed when “Enron” scenario occurs. I fear for Singapore’s future now. George Bush says that Singapore has great leadership, and LHL say likewise, hmmm Seem like bird of same species and capabilities flocked together.
If governing is good, ppl should not have complain. Did u see pride of ppl in Sweden, Finland ?? They have definitely more pride in their country and in themselves.
about 3 years ago
Correction;
How can a gov use a public money for companies that run as privatized company with gov-linked and remain unaccountable is beyond my understanding, and result in a loss, underplay it, and move on.
about 3 years ago
Hi, I believe the GST hike is economically sound. I just wonder if it is the best way.
Lowering corporate tax has been shown to attract FDI – there is definitely a correlation and very likely a causation. (for example, as researched by the OECD)
Hong Kong doesn’t have the lowest corporate rate – Slovakia’s 7.7%. And America doesn’t have GST but it has all sorts of other types of state taxes that act effectively like the GST. I heard that Hong Kong is considering starting to have GST too, something like 5%.
A Reuters article argues very convincingly why the PAP might be prescient in adjusting the GST now. (via Littlespeck)
I’ve also that’s probably too long to fit nicely here in your comment box about why I think the GST is economically sound but why I still think it might not be the best way. Would appreciate your comments!
about 3 years ago
Oops, my last paragraph should read:
I’ve also written a long post that’s probably too long to fit nicely here in your comment box about why I think the GST is economically sound but why I still think it might not be the best way. Would appreciate your comments!
http://hovivo.blogspot.com/2006/11/gst-hike-sugar-coating-backfired-look.html
about 3 years ago
GST hike is “economically” sound if it works. What if it don’t work ?? Could we accept again another “honest mistakes” by the gov ??? How many honest mistakes are we going to tolerate ??? Every honest mistake may lose billions of dollars and unless there is accountability, I don’t see why “another honest mistake” will not occur.
So we have few “honest” mistakes just to name a few:
Micropolis
Chartered
Shin”corpse”
Optus
Global crossing
“Could it be more”….
I don’t mind gov make honest mistakes, but to keep repeating honest mistakes at the expense of public money is not “honest” at all. At least not to the people especially, we do not know what really happening, and covered up to even let us know what happen
I don’t want to pay the price for every “honest mistake” by gov, neither do anyone of u here.
Don’t ever tell us that it is part of parcel to fail, not if the failure cause billions of dollars of loss, and downplayed.
about 3 years ago
GST hike maybe a good thing but make sure the GST increase fulfil its promise with no “but, however”. It’s time that gov/PAP show some real performance to earn the trust of the people, and stop blaming the poor, the rich, the elite, the complainer, the whiner etc. If they do good, these ppl will not complain.
about 3 years ago
Hi Aaron,
Yupz…. I just finished 3 presentation and 1 report this week. That’s why I have dissappeared from the online world this week. >
about 3 years ago
Aaron, You comment box ate my message again =(
below is what I wrote
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Hi Aaron,
Yupz…. I just finished 3 presentation and 1 report this week. That’s why I have dissappeared from the online world this week. >
about 3 years ago
arrrggg…. here is the part that got cut off again…
Hey daniel,
I dont think GST would be a “honest mistake.” It would work out in the sense that it would increase government revenue. The only mistake I see is how an increase in GST is ever going to help the lower income in the long run? Being highly educated ministers, I do doubt they believe that it would help. Or at least I hope they know it deep down in their heart. This how “helping lower income” is merely a facade to make less questioning singaporeans more accepting of an increase in GST.
about 3 years ago
The main concern I believe is not the mechanics i.e whether the raising of GST can be directed to assist those who may need help.
The reason why I say this is because the mechanics can be tweaked and adjusted PROVIDING, it is coupled with a coherent philosophy. There are loads of historical precedents concerning the implementation of GST and much of it can be effectively extrapolated and superimposed in the Singaporean economy. I am very confident abt this aspect.
What disturbs me as an observer is the MIXED signals the government appears to be broadcasting concerning how they wish to label this vechile of help – to me this doesn’t really make one molecule of common sense.
However you cut it this is welfare for lack of a better word. There may be semantic hair splitting, but from where I am standing this is what it actually is – welfare – and for all intents and purposes this step in the right direction.
Jumping on the welfare wagon is a bit like getting pregnant – you are either positive or negative.
This is especially significant in Singapore because in the absence of a credible opposition, trade unions or the presence of an intellectual pool who may be able to serve as proponents of welfarism –
In this case the sole arbiter and definer remains solely the govt, so they really need to get their act together and begin clarifying and defining what they want to accomplish. Otherwise the goal will ultimately degenerate into something very murky and diffused – this I believe is the main concern of most observers – the lack of political will to call a spade a spade – and this naturally raises the question – why the reluctance? Is there a plan B in the wings? Is this perhaps only an interim solution? But whatever it is a semi commitment in my view is as good as the kiss of death.
This I believe is the main concern – where is the beef?
about 3 years ago
Hi darkness
“Jumping on the welfare wagon is a bit like getting pregnant – you are either positive or negative.”
I somewhat agree with you that the proposed measures to assist the poor are in effect, as you mentioned welfarism.
However, I take issue with your above statements or should I say many of my students do so, as we were just discussing the merits of your suggestion.
(1) The need as you mentioned to clarify and define the goals and more importantly call a spade a spade.
(2) The need to hammer out a philosophy that will serve as some kind of manifesto or road map to ensure coherency in planning and execution.
However, the “weakness” in your suggestion lies in the assumption our government will not do the right thing.
In this particular case you have ascribed a negative weighting on the predictors and though the government and recepients may understandably be termed as diseparate “regressors” they should in effect be treated under a single criterion model. Should they not.
Besides by very cleverly ascribing the “regressors” a negative value. However way you do your calculations, you will always be right. It always comes out to a value of zero.
about 3 years ago
I’m having a hard time deciphering darkness’s comment, but I believe that he didn’t assume that the government will not do the right thing. I think what he was trying to point our is that our government should be more upfront and clear instead of trying to window dress their proposals. I think he’s concerned that the lack of clarity in the proposals might actually signify something more sinister, such as a half-hearted commitment.
I think we have to wait until next Feb to see what are the proposed aid packages to help the poor.
And observer, you said your students were discussing the merits of darkness’s comment. I believe that your students must be pretty mature to be able to comprehend the issues involved. I would suppose that you are an academic?
about 3 years ago
I’m not so sure about the accuracy of your entry.
1. Singapore has the fastest ageing population in the entire SEA. Corporate tax is kept low for incomes to be increased. Our GST is definitely lower than most developed countries to allow the economically-dependent population have more buying power. The Corporate tax, however, is kept low to allow the working population to SAVE more. So, please don’t complain (or imply so) about the hike in GST and the lousy investments the gov makes.
2. If Singaporeans DON’T see where the money goes too yet, if this GST of 7% hasn’t been implemented, why are those IDIOTS complaining about their MPs, blah blah blah! Please lor! As I said earlier, this GST will inevitably be used for the rapidly ageing population in Singapore (unless, of course, the PAP starts crapping S’pore up).
3. THe point about other countries not having GST is, should we say, a little trashy. America doesn’t do it because they want to promote a more “free” economy. Singapore, as you said, is too small. Therefore, she has no resources, no crap whatsoever to export! America does. It has not only people, it also has wood, wildlife, and being the “leader” in world economy means she doesn’t depend on such sources of “national income”!
4. And as for the rather poor argument for why Singapore doens’t attract as much foreign investments as “other countries”, I’d give a straight answer. Our currency isn’t strong due to our limited physical capacity, so it’s obviously more beneficial to gain a source of income with higher value from another country like America. Another reason why we don’t attract as much foreign investment is because we are not in power, so to speak, on a global stage. Our economy isn’t as rooted or *large* as those gigantic financial powers like US or UK or China. WE ARE LIMITED!
-ys
about 3 years ago
I assume when you use the term “regressors†and “single criterion model†you ppl have been drawing circles all the day trying to figure out a model that best describes the relationship between state, those who may be recipients of assistance and the rest of the populace.
I also assume based on what you have mentioned scantily, your model will probably resemble two circles which intersect.
Circle 1 = the state / Circle 2 = the populace who are employed / intersect = state/unemployed i.e aid recipients.
However, you need to appreciate my dilemma, if I proceed to rubbish this model. Then you end up being a laughing stock before all your students and I will probably be ceremoniously crowned as the big bully of the internet.
You don’t have to be a poker player to visualize the odds, but when you end a reply with these words,
“Besides by very cleverly ascribing the “regressors†a negative value. However way you do your calculations, you will always be right. It always comes out to a value of zero.â€
You are in effect calling me a confidence trickster who is trying the pull the wool over the eyes of most readers here – you are taking a very aggressive position – you are challenging me not factually, but stating your position clearly by attempting to demonstrate how facile my point actually is.
Do you now understand my dilemma? And pls dont say I am being to sensitive bc I will simply redirect you upstairs to your post which you directed to me.
So there are two ways in which I can respond:
I will set your model on fire, only if you want me too, of course. Or alternatively in the language of the diplomat perhaps you prefer me to suggest to you very politely certain lines of enquiries which you may not have considered or factored into your model? This way perhaps we can all learn together and no one would have to leave the room naked?
I leave the choice to you. Webmaster please go find a chair and sit it out, this has nothing to do with you.
Darkness
about 3 years ago
Hi ys,
1. The Corporate tax, however, is kept low to allow the working population to SAVE more.
Erm, corporate tax is levied on companies. If a company pays less tax, they have more profits. When they have more profits, it doesn’t mean they will pay more salary. How will the working populace be able to save more then? I don’t get you.
2. I think the issue here is that most Singaporeans are not convinced that the money will be used to help the poor. There were no evidence of how much shortfall there is to justify the increase. In fact, I see it as something that’s very similar to bus fare hikes. The bus companies are making millions in profits, and yet they claim they need to increase fares to cover rising costs. Unless the evidence is put out on the table, it’s hard to convince people.
3. As pointed out, America does have GST at the state level, though not on the federal level. And in anycase, if Singapore is too small and have no natural resources to exploit for gain, we just have to exploit our people, since its the only resource, right? And it seems to me that you support the exploitation of our people. That in itself is not wrong if the exploitation is done for a good reason. However, as explained in my previous point, I think we need to see the evidence to be convinced.
4. What’s your point? You gave reasons why you think foreign investments are not coming in. However, that aside, what’s your point? Going by your logic, no matter what we do, foreign investments won’t come in right? Then why bother lowering coporate taxes?
about 3 years ago
Going by the logic of those who claim that low income and corporate tax rates means more investments and more rich people willing to come to Singapore, shouldn’t the people of all the other countries, with the exception of Hong Kong and Singapore, be chopping firewood for subsistence?
No, “the logic” would imply only that the people of all the other countries would be richer than they are now if they had lower taxes. It doesn’t say anything about how rich the other countries would be relative to Singapore.
Note that I do not agree entirely with the pro-tax logic, but it would be nice not to impute to your opponent more than what he says.
It is also notable that it is city-states like Sg and HK that are especially dependent on low taxes, because their lack of natural resources forces them to rely wholly on a healthy business environment and competitive human resources (i.e. people who are willing to work harder, and to some extent lower taxes encourage higher work rates).
about 3 years ago
Hi Wowbagger,
I was trying to turn the government’s argument that low taxes attract foreign investments on its head by proving that rich people and big companies still stay in countries that have tax rates much higher than ours. If our government’s logic is true, we should be flooded with the world’s multi-millionaires and MNCs, since they can save tons of money in taxes every year by relocating here.
Well, I do agree lower income taxes and higher consumption taxes do encourage higher work rates among some groups of people. However, in Singapore’s case, poorer people don’t pay income tax. To levey a consumption tax across the board would incentivise them to work harder because they don’t have much income and in order to make up loss of purchasing power as a result of the consumption tax, they have to work longer hours and take on more jobs. Sure, a consumption tax does “motivate” the poorer people to work harder, but is it for the right reason, or rather, is the motivating factor ethical?
about 3 years ago
My opinion is that one could try to think in the shoe of the authorities.
The key issue now is, do these people in need require such assistance? And what are the main obstacles to render those aids? General areas will be both the generation of a fund that is sufficiently large as well as distributing them. These are two separate issues.
The Tax change is meant to tackle the first issue, not the second one. Citing the existing deficiencies related to the second issue does not demerit the choice to raise fund via taxation.
Now we need to explore how government could raise funds. Clearly, it could do so through raising taxes, increase fees for goverment services, or digging into the reserves.
Is helping the needy a good explanation to increase fees for government services? How about to increase ERP? or increase Corporate Taxes?
As such, raising GST is indeed the best solution.
Of course, the premise here is that we trust the government with the proper management of these monies.
If this is not the case, then no argument would suffice as it is no longer a discussion on the merit of the system.
about 3 years ago
Hi Kai Yeow,
On what basis do you believe that there isn’t enough funds? Just by the word of one person? I think it’s a good thing to remain skeptical until evidence is given.
You have a point that citing deficiencies in luring foreign investments have no relation to increasing GST. However, PM Lee is planning to lower corporate taxes and increase GST. I don’t know what other way to read it, but it just seems like a redistribution of the burden of taxation so as to benefit corporations. The only logical explanation I have is that the government intends to lure more foreign investments this way.
Is raising GST the best solution? I don’t have a straight answer to this. I’ve already pointed out that lowering corporate taxes does not automatically mean more investments because there are alot of other factors involved. If the taxes in Iraq is zero now, do you think all the huge corporations are going to jump into Iraq now? I think not. I think that even if our corporate tax is not the lowest in the world, companies will still come if we can compensate them in other non-tangible ways. There’s no necessity to redistribute the burden of taxation.
about 3 years ago
I like the last sentence: Singapore is too small to compete solely on cost.
Perhaps sometimes people are disillusioned by what they studied in JC economics text: that decrease in taxation will lead to an increase in biz investments, ceteris paribus. This statement is true when it stands alone definitely, but wait till you throw in other factors then corporate taxes will just be one of the many many factors an investor will consider before deciding if he wants to come to Singapore.
Cheers!