Comments, opinions and an occasional ramble
Of scholars and bonds
Mr Philip Yeo posted this clarification of the episode between him and Mr Chng Hee Kok over the issue of scholars who broke bonds. The absolute chronology of the exchange was not too important to me. Rather, the key issue is whether it is alright for a scholar to break the bond on his or her scholarship.
Barring extenuating circumstances, I don’t think it is right for a scholar to break a bond. From the legal standpoint, perhaps there is nothing wrong with breaking bonds because it’s just a legal contract. As long as the scholar pays up the damages as specified in the bond, everything is settled. However, I think that bonds are more than just a contract; it’s a promise, or if you like, a covenant.
In fact, I don’t understand why some people view bonds as a legal contract. At it’s core, it’s plain and simple: a promise to serve in return for the provision of an opportunity to seek higher education. I’m not sure about other people, but if I’m going to make a promise, I’ll jolly well keep to it to the best of my ability. I think it’s very rude to just throw a pile of money on the table and then walk out of a promise without even making an effort to keep the promise.
Furthermore, most cases of bond-breakers (as far as I know) do not break their bonds due to extenuating circumstances. It’s usually because they found better opportunities than what was offered in their scholarship contract while studying (usually overseas). While it is true that time and tide wait for no man, should that be an excuse not to behave honorably?
Just because another hot and nubile 18 year-old babe comes along with the promise of great bedroom action doesn’t mean that I should break off my engagement. I think that keeping a promise is a fundamental human value and one should strive to keep promises that were made, of course, barring exceptional circumstances. Besides, it doesn’t look good to break promises without a good reason. If I call off my engagement for a hot and nubile 18-year old and she walks out on me after a while, which other woman will ever dare trust their future with me? After all, if I have done it once, what’s stopping me from doing it again?
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about 4 years ago
personally no interest in name-calling…each to his own…
about 4 years ago
frogs are nice and cute
one can always kiss them and they will turn into charming princes
about 4 years ago
Put one next to your pillow.
about 4 years ago
Starlet,
Tickles my already funny bones.. spontaneous reaction without the (!)… but you’re right in most civil environment, yours.. a good principle.
Wud’nt mind my betterhalf calling me ” sexy frog prince” in jest tho.
about 4 years ago
He is a mournful toad. Just look at the way he rants on and on abt writing. So cute. I just really like the way he writes bc there is really no one like him in the Sing blog scene. My mother warned me against guys like that.
about 4 years ago
Hi,
You see I think it has everything to do with earning power.
When I was in Uni. I noticed there were two types of scholars. The fliers and the fallen. The latter were the guys who were always the rebellious type. Eventually they ran into trouble with their grants, forcing them to work and study at the same time.
Generally, it was easy to spot out the fallen, they would sit at the back of the class, smoke and drink etc. If they even bothered to come to lectures. Some of them never even bothered.
Later on in life when I started working I realized life is very fair.
This flier I know is doing comparatively well. He commands a five figure salary every month, but he is still a salary man.
This other fallen star I know however is a business man who never ever seemed to hold on to a job. So one day he started a business in the bay area in the US.
Todayand he makes roughly what the flier makes in a month by just playing a round of golf with his clients.
So I think when those ppl hear you talk about life. They will just say it is “unreal” or maybe an “admirable sentiment.”
At the end of the day. I am not a scholar or anything. I dont even have a degree, just a diploma but in my opinion, if I had to do it all again.
I rather put my money on the fallen than the flier. So I wonder really, who really is the real frog? Just my 2 cents
about 4 years ago
Ermm…
I don’t get it.
Quoted from caleb:
“When I was in Uni. I noticed there were two types of scholars.”
Quoted from caleb:
“I dont even have a degree, just a diploma but in my opinion, if I had to do it all again. ”
So… you came from uni or got a diploma or….
Anyway, what if you had 1000 fallen and 1000 fliers. Would you put -all- your money on -all- the fallen?
I know of fallen who are earning lots today, and fallen who like what you said, cannot hold on to a job, cannot even start own business, riddled with debt. Likewise there are fliers who lack life skills, what some people would call high-IQ-low-EQ, and there are fliers who achieve. They don’t have to be salary-people too, at that.
Point is, anecdotal evidence may not be representative of actual trend. My 2 baht.
about 4 years ago
ST,
Just imagine where would you be today if Bill Gates or Steve Jobs came to you twenty odd years ago and said,
“Will you run with me? I have an idea that will change the world.”
I think Caleb’s point is simply this. You dont need a thousand Microsofts or even a thousand Apple Computers.
All you really need to make the quantum leap is the power of one.
You are right in saying
“anecdotal evidence may not be representative of actual trend.”
But that incidentally is also the same reason why there will never ever be a Singaporean Bill Gates or Steve Jobs.
They aren’t even in the trend.
Think about that.
about 4 years ago
Dear Ex-Chairman,
It’s good to hear that you have started your new life in SPRING.
We are doing fine here at Stanford and working hard to finish our studies. Some guy from the Silicon Valley has asked us to break our bond and join them such that we can create million dollar companies like Google.
After serious thought and since you have left A*STAR, we thought that we should give it a go. We thought about it because we think carefully about our future. Although we have been bootlicking to you for the past few years, these are our real thoughts:
Your ex-management are a bunch of mean people. They are just a group of yes-men and I often see the fear in their face around you. They are all ball-less and we cannot create new innovations when we have constant bunch of assholes looking over our back.
We don’t being guppies, because we have backbone. Those whales are just free-loading in Singapore especially they dined in the stupid Bristo Bar, and we think that you have whored us to them. So, being slaves to some “whales” are not what we want for our lives.
We enjoy the passion of studying science here and we just think that it’s waste of time to go back to biopolis and be a slave. Singapore is neither building the large hadron collider nor sequencing the monkey genome. We might as well break our bond and have brighter futures.
It’s easy to imagine A* without you because we are sick and tired of your antics. Our other Singaporean friends are ashamed of your rude and arrogant behaviour. Sometimes, when I have dinner, I have to tolerate your bullshit. I want to punch you in the face or slap you on the face to wake you up to the real world.
So, THANK YOU for paying us to go overseas and then dump your kindness to the drain. We are sure that your efforts in SPRING will be unappreciated like the old days.
and have a happy Labour day.
With warmest regards,
Air*STAR scholar
about 4 years ago
Fall Guy,
Agreed. Food for thought.
about 4 years ago
Post 462 is just plain rude, evil and petulant. It spoils the whole mood of a civil discourse. If the webmaster con’t doing nothing short of removing it. I will just have to go somewhere else, I am afraid.
about 4 years ago
HAL 9000,
Suit yourself. Nobody is stopping you. Welcome to the internet.
about 4 years ago
The full of Air guy behind Post462, 465,
You mean ..hide behind the internet with this threat?
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I want to punch you in the face or slap you on the face to wake you up to the real world.
about 4 years ago
Air guy behind Post462, 465,
You mean ..hide behind the internet with this threat?
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I want to punch you in the face or slap you on the face to wake you up to the real world.
about 4 years ago
oops ..duplicate, so be it.
about 4 years ago
Huh?
Is this ballerina discovering her new love interest or ex? Joking?.. me too. Cute.
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ballerina // Apr 24, 2007 at 10:48 am
He is a mournful toad. Just look at the way he rants on and on abt writing. So cute. I just really like the way he writes bc there is really no one like him in the Sing blog scene. My mother warned me against guys like that.
about 4 years ago
Air-Star Scholar is a mad fictitious chap. Definitely a wimp.
about 4 years ago
With regards to the topic on fliers and fallers…I just feel that everyone has his/her own dreams and aspirations, and as to what extent you would go to fulfill that, will pretty much help determine what you get in life. Of course, different pple with their different analysis of risk and value will end up with different things…Of course, it is easy to admire every person with a success story but who knows of every success stories, how many stories of failures there r…Life is unpredictable…But u do still have a good degree of control over it…
about 4 years ago
By the way, is it true that scholars are restricted to only work for the specific government organisation that fund their studies…heard Novartis in Singapore had problems trying to get a Singaporean scholar to work for them…
about 4 years ago
Air-Star Scholar must be a sad frustrated failure masquerading as an A*STAR scholar at Stanford.
Ignore the nut.
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HAL 9000 SINGAPORE // Apr 24, 2007 at 7:36 pm
Post 462 is just plain rude, evil and petulant. It spoils the whole mood of a civil discourse. If the webmaster con’t doing nothing short of removing it. I will just have to go somewhere else, I am afraid.
about 4 years ago
There is no free lunch in this world.
Maybe in the next world.
All sponsors of scholarships require returned scholars to work in their organizations for the contract period since they have paid heavily for the scholars’ education.
A*STAR is looking into the possibility of exposing some scholars to Pharma R&D labs located at Biopolis after the scholars have worked in A*STAR research institutes for a minimum period of their contract period.
Here it will be a privilege and not an entitlement.
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Starlet UNITED STATES // Apr 25, 2007 at 7:24 am
By the way, is it true that scholars are restricted to only work for the specific government organisation that fund their studies…heard Novartis in Singapore had problems trying to get a Singaporean scholar to work for them…
about 4 years ago
I see I see…Makes perfect sense…Yep, I did say Hi to Alex Matter…His lecture was great. Nice to hear him describing the setup in Singapore…:)
about 4 years ago
Nicely put n tend to agree. Its not as though n often said ..for every successful or failed guy, there is definitely a woman or man…behind it.
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Starlet // Apr 25, 2007 at 7:17 am
With regards to the topic on fliers and fallers..
But u do still have a good degree of control over it…
about 4 years ago
The Crane = Philip Yeo.
about 4 years ago
Good! Meeting his boss here at Basel, Switzerland this morning.
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Starlet UNITED STATES // Apr 25, 2007 at 7:53 am
Yep, I did say Hi to Alex Matter…His lecture was great. Nice to hear him describing the setup in Singapore…:)
about 4 years ago
Dear Sir:
You galloping all across Europe? Noticed the multitude of EU flags tagged beside your name this few days.
Yours sincerely,
Dr Dee
about 4 years ago
From Wikipedia.
The Crane : They eat a range of items from suitably sized small rodents, fish, amphibians…
about 4 years ago
Working for the next (better?) generation.
Off to London this evening..
about 4 years ago
Q: What predators might prey on cranes?
A: Crane predators vary from place to place since cranes live on so many of the continents. In the United States, animals such as raccoons, fox, and bears may prey on the eggs or young. Wolves prey on unfledged whooping cranes at Wood Buffalo National Park. Adult cranes can usually escape these predators, but cannot escape large birds of prey such as golden eagles. The crane’s large size, aggressive disposition, and its ability to fly provide protection from predators. Humans are the most dangerous predator of cranes. Direct predation occurs in the form of hunting. Twelve western states in the U.S. have hunting seasons on sandhills, along with two Canadian provinces. Furthermore, there is some subsistence hunting in Mexico and Russia, as well as in some areas in Asia. Indirect influences, more difficult to guard against, include disturbance and habitat loss.
You are not invulnerable, definitely someday to be eaten up. That’s the nature of things.
about 4 years ago
True.
That is Nature’s food chain ecosystem.
Are you my breakfast, lunch or dinner? Or tea time? And vice versa.
Have yet to find time to visit US Parks since I was student there in 1974. Seen far too many factories and labs.
Yet to see a real whale….:-D
about 4 years ago
Big Bird should subsidise The Eternal Idealist for his Bandwidth…
about 4 years ago
At least u visited the parks while u r a student. i think I have only been to a couple…:p
about 4 years ago
Have not been to any park yet.
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At least u visited the parks while u r a student. i think I have only been to a couple…:p
about 4 years ago
Hmm… Indoor air not very good for soul.
about 4 years ago
darkness,
I just want to ask you a simple question, what do you think abt all these “fliers” and “fallers” description.
Hope you reply sir.
about 4 years ago
Greets,
To me this distinction between fallers and fliers is just a pile of bs – at the end of the day it all boils down to the fit – if suits some people. Nothing wrong with that – if the fit is there – I say, go ahead.
Others – call them what you like, indiscipline, ungrateful or even just plain destructive, but that is how they are hard wired and the harder you try to make them fit in, the more they are going to malfunction and their supervisors will just get high blood pressure – its lose / lose either way you cut it, if you don’t believe me go and do some heuristics and probability analysis – so its best to just smoke a peace pipe and say bye bye.
One way forward is for both grantors and grantees to spend more time clarifying and sharpening the “fit” along side the need to meet long term strategic goals of both parties. I personally feel this should be strategic precondition in the selection process.
Otherwise both are just going to buy into a whole lot of grief two or three years down the road. That’s the case for not only scholarship programs but also marriages, businesses and car maintenance.
When it goes bad, it’s hardly a matter of choice though for some strange reason everyone seems to dress it up as one.
But having said that whatever life choices one makes – you are ultimately responsible for it. Pls remember this, I don’t mince my words here. You are responsible!
Having said that it’s nice to have a sexy level headed bitch like ballerina to rest your tiger beer on in the evenings and give you regular head massages, it takes the edges out of life.
So your main squeeze plays a role here too, you go and figure that part out bc I am not too comfortable with advising ppl on how to lead their personal life.
We live in a world of implications and consequences, so if you find yourself with just your two guli’s sitting down in a trailer park watching the wheel of fortune when you are old because you never bothered to think abt where you’re going.
Don’t go blaming the gahmen or some guy you listened too on TV, aint no one going to break it in two for you except yourself. I want it to be crystal here.
I am just being dead beat honest about it. That’s it, that’s the low down.
about 4 years ago
Having said all that. You really need to know your sense of worth, aint no one going to give you squat in this planet – thats the first rule.
Doesnt squat matter whether you have a cure for lung cancer, if u dont know deep within yourself what your sense of worth is – you are just worthless and some corporate shark is just going to come along and cap your value.
Thats why I think it is very important to cultivate attitude. You can never have too much attitude in my opinion – a sense of confidence, doesnt even matter whether it is delusional, but attitude is important bc in the business world that is what ppl respect.
So in my view it makes a whole of sense to learn the art of how to slam the table ten or twenty different ways to make yourself larger than life.
That I feel is a key to being financially independent, anything else just reduces you to a salaried slave and it doesnt matter how much you get, 2.2 or 3.0 or even 10 mil – slave you r, but once you take control of your financial destiny things start to change, you see the valence between work and reward – there is a direct co-relation and that goes a long way to give you a sense of confidence.
Thats why when I see an inventor the first question I ask is how much do you think your invention is worth?
If he cannot produce an answer in 2 seconds flat, I will just take it away from him. I will do that, I want to be honest with all of you! I will exploit this man, I will dumb him into servitude – is it fair?
No, but that is life.
about 4 years ago
I wonder if Sir Darkness would assent to coffee.
I happen to like fallers a lot.
Yet at the same time, to be fair, I think one ought recognise that The Crane was also not in the trend.
If you check back, he does find technocrats distasteful.
And most govt scholars are technocrats: Just because one is in public service doesn’t mean that one must be a technocrat.
Just as I do find it very difficult to admit that I studied political science. It’s not something I see as, me.
It helps to buy a lot of popcorn, methinks.
Because between recent passer-bys, it’s not a case of fallers vs. fliers, but a case of where they work; of where they are at/in.
Placed within the context of industrial demarcations, they’d be fallers for those paradigms; placed within the larger context of Singapore, they’d be fallers within the context of Singapore.
For their characters are the same: eloquence in the manipulation of symbols, can only convey so much.
It’s not a case of who/what you all are, but a case of where you are.
And of course, a matter of being at the right place at the right time with mentors that befit you.
Me? I just watch. If it be true that Darkness and all are scholars too, then I surely have no place in such a discussion.
Because I don’t even qualify.
p.s. I think salaryman vs. non-salaryman is over-rated. Very often, the more power you seem to have, the less you can exercise it. To me, being a salaryman means I have less to worry about and more that I can do for myself in all my silliness.
p.s.2. Maybe it’s just a pity, that none of you play weiqi. I love Literature, yes. But nothing ever did come close, to weiqi.
Maybe I’m just weird, for preferring the Golden Mean.
about 4 years ago
Doctrine of the Mean. Confucian.
about 4 years ago
Easy to spot an actor in multi personality guise, ..why? you kno it, darkness or
steamboy, scholarboy, ballerina..same n weird all
about 4 years ago
lkh,
Hey I don’t even know you and you start the discussion by throwing mud at me? I say you are not giving it a chance. Think abt that.
Calligrapher,
“Being at the right place at the right time.” Granted 10 points. That reminds me after this I need to buy 4 D.
“mentors that befit you,” disagree strongly! 2 points. OK la give discount 2.5 points.
The whole idea of mentoring is passe.
I am not saying for one moment it doesnt work, sure its way of moving forward, like throwing canon balls to propel a boat forward or steam power.
Only the traditional master and apprentice compact raises the issue of long term operational efficiency – does it produce a good return on energy? How cost effective is it? What is it’s underlying operational features?
Knowledge used to be power that no one denies, but let’s look deeper into the whole issue of what mentoring actually is at a systematic level beyond the simple Kung fu master and apprentice relationship; what are the aggregates here? How do they interact with sum which makes up the whole?
Well in a nutshell the whole idea of mentoring leverages on application expertise. That is to say it is mainly an issue of talent and experience rather than theory. A large chunk of mentoring is based on pattern matching; monkey see, monkey do, which is why it’s so dependent on leveraging on past experience. You say what is wrong with that darkness? That’s how knowledge has been traditionally leverage to produce results! I say a whole load of baggage comes with the word “traditional†that suggest to me that it will disable rather than enable producers.
Because I don’t see how it adds any value to the conversion process – mentoring basically is formulaic methodology for lack of a better word. Now I don’t doubt its suitability in certain vocations like candle making, ikebana or how to wear a tuxedo but in the field of engineering, I really question its efficacy and relevance.
What I am saying is it pays dividends to appreciate the limits of mentoring i.e it only works if past performance (necessarily) = future performance. That’s how the relationship is expressed mathematically i.e whenever slight traces of a usability issue is observed, you “must†deduce the underlying implications for design based on an orthodox methodology or error proofing. The ‘must’ here functions as a denomination limiter – I have a problem with that, but then again it could just be me, so I have to insert a caveat here and say, I am not completely certain of the creative process.
So again we are stepping into another quadrant of the hall of mirrors – its one that ask how much of future is predicated on our capacity to cont doing things in the traditional way?
I can talk all day about this but I really wonder who in his right mind would care to listen to such unmitigated diatribe, but you get the general drift.
Ok good the traffic is moving again.
about 4 years ago
darkness:
By mentoring I don’t mean industry-specific mentoring.
I mean ‘life mentoring’.
My problem is that I can’t find anyone in Singapore thematically similar to my situation. Whereas in Oz, I’d have a much better chance of that.
It’s a bit like why Literature is better than Philosophy.
Oh, and er… My other life is that of a Diatribe Writer. I suppose that’s (partly) why people write stories.
about 4 years ago
The Crane:
More Taoist than Confucian.
about 4 years ago
lkh:
Weird is good.
If there were no weirdos then The Crane ought be paid much, much less, no?
cf. Foucault.
about 4 years ago
darkness
Very powderful stuff like a strong coffee
I think the gist of what you seem to be saying is that mentoring in the context of eng res & dev just perpetuates the status quo.
I don’t want to come across as silly
, but isnt that the whole idea of how acadedemic progress is benchmarked, that is defining a standardized conceptual frame work of a paradigm to reduce it into a constant.
Then moving ahead based on a fixed constant assumption to prove or disprove.
Otherwise how would we make progress if we all defined a thing as so many things or variables?
ps:I happen to know obby personally
thx
about 4 years ago
btw could you keep your reply as non-technical and jargon free as possible as there r a few arts and philosophy students who are also expecting to read yr response thx
about 4 years ago
really hope you will answer us darkness
about 4 years ago
A weirdo is born every second!
Need a fair $/weirdo rate.
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If there were no weirdos then The Crane ought be paid much, much less, no?
about 4 years ago
too cheem…. even for techies.
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btw could you keep your reply as non-technical and jargon free as possible as there r a few arts and philosophy students who are also expecting to read yr response thx
about 4 years ago
At Imperial College at noon time.