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		<title>By: My 10 Favourite Blogs &#171; A Mind of My Own</title>
		<link>http://aaron-ng.info/blog/punished-for-blowing-the-whistle.html#comment-16165</link>
		<dc:creator>My 10 Favourite Blogs &#171; A Mind of My Own</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Aug 2007 00:46:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Hear Ye! Hear Ye! - Insightful posts on issues that are affecting everyone, the most recent on Lee Hong Yi&#8217;s breaking the chain of command by exposing himself as the whistle blower. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Alan Wong</title>
		<link>http://aaron-ng.info/blog/punished-for-blowing-the-whistle.html#comment-16074</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan Wong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2007 07:29:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not following the line of command is a serious matter!!!
I wonder what sort of punishment has he got ?  

17 years solitary detention?
Was his scholarship withdrawn ?  
Was he demoted ?
Was he court martialled ?

If he had come from ordinary parents,  
would it have been treated more seriously

A lot of questions need to be answered?
Has any of our highly paid PAP Ministers 
provided any reasonable explanation?

So far,  I have only seen a lot of wayang.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not following the line of command is a serious matter!!!<br />
I wonder what sort of punishment has he got ?  </p>
<p>17 years solitary detention?<br />
Was his scholarship withdrawn ?<br />
Was he demoted ?<br />
Was he court martialled ?</p>
<p>If he had come from ordinary parents,<br />
would it have been treated more seriously</p>
<p>A lot of questions need to be answered?<br />
Has any of our highly paid PAP Ministers<br />
provided any reasonable explanation?</p>
<p>So far,  I have only seen a lot of wayang.</p>
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		<title>By: Marco</title>
		<link>http://aaron-ng.info/blog/punished-for-blowing-the-whistle.html#comment-16062</link>
		<dc:creator>Marco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 15:40:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most people believed that he knew of the action he took to writing a complaint and the consequences of mass mailing he complaint. 

Seriously speaking, no one in the history of the SAF had ever dared to write this way knowing that he has to follow the given procedures in the handbook. 

It was clearly state by Meindef tha evry NS man has been briefed on the procedures in the handbook.

Clearly speaking, given the way he wrote the letter, it seemed clear he knew of the rules in the handbook, etc. 

It seemed clear that his mass-copying of it in sending to his peers and other commands showed that he was exasperated by the ignorance given by his superior o nthe metter which indeed had nothing to do with him in the first place. 

It seemed clear that his mass circulation was to amplify his arrogance that he had the power to do "harmful" thing that others could not do.

It seemed clear that he acted on the "believe" that he will be called up by the high levels s oas to be "listened to" and to be given a "appreciation" instead of being "reprimanded for it on the "strength"of being the son of the PM and grandson of MM.

It seemed clear that he knew he can rely on the "strength" of his strong "backings" for his "arrogance" and "hysteria" - a "becoming behaviour" of an officer.  
 
The charge could merely be a "tap" on his wrist. If this had happened to other peers, their rank could be stalled and job could be sidelined into cold storage and into obscurity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most people believed that he knew of the action he took to writing a complaint and the consequences of mass mailing he complaint. </p>
<p>Seriously speaking, no one in the history of the SAF had ever dared to write this way knowing that he has to follow the given procedures in the handbook. </p>
<p>It was clearly state by Meindef tha evry NS man has been briefed on the procedures in the handbook.</p>
<p>Clearly speaking, given the way he wrote the letter, it seemed clear he knew of the rules in the handbook, etc. </p>
<p>It seemed clear that his mass-copying of it in sending to his peers and other commands showed that he was exasperated by the ignorance given by his superior o nthe metter which indeed had nothing to do with him in the first place. </p>
<p>It seemed clear that his mass circulation was to amplify his arrogance that he had the power to do &#8220;harmful&#8221; thing that others could not do.</p>
<p>It seemed clear that he acted on the &#8220;believe&#8221; that he will be called up by the high levels s oas to be &#8220;listened to&#8221; and to be given a &#8220;appreciation&#8221; instead of being &#8220;reprimanded for it on the &#8220;strength&#8221;of being the son of the PM and grandson of MM.</p>
<p>It seemed clear that he knew he can rely on the &#8220;strength&#8221; of his strong &#8220;backings&#8221; for his &#8220;arrogance&#8221; and &#8220;hysteria&#8221; - a &#8220;becoming behaviour&#8221; of an officer.  </p>
<p>The charge could merely be a &#8220;tap&#8221; on his wrist. If this had happened to other peers, their rank could be stalled and job could be sidelined into cold storage and into obscurity.</p>
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		<title>By: Carol</title>
		<link>http://aaron-ng.info/blog/punished-for-blowing-the-whistle.html#comment-16057</link>
		<dc:creator>Carol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 06:07:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately the issue involves Mindef and the martial law. personally I would have done the same, and as a matter of fact I had done something similar some years before, though nothing to do with Mindef. Unhappy with some arbitrary, unfair, stupid HDB rules, I went to the MP of my constituency and had a few letters sent to HDB to present my case.  After several failed attempts over 2 years, I sent an email all the way up to 7 stat boards and ministries, including PMO and Parliament House.  That got the case discussed between my MP and the then-minister for HDB during parliament break and was satisfactorily settled in 7 calendar days.  Does that sound any different essentially? Only diff is, I'm not restrained by any martial laws and Mindef was not involved.  Lee Hong Yi did something justifiable and righteous, but bound by unjust laws, in civilian terms.  He might not make a good soldier in the eyes of martial laws, but he sure is righteous and the kind of person we need in our new generation.  And this whole saga has portrayed a good image for Singapore internationally, for we have proven that even the top dog can get into deep shit if he doesn't do things right, even if he is from the Lee family.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately the issue involves Mindef and the martial law. personally I would have done the same, and as a matter of fact I had done something similar some years before, though nothing to do with Mindef. Unhappy with some arbitrary, unfair, stupid HDB rules, I went to the MP of my constituency and had a few letters sent to HDB to present my case.  After several failed attempts over 2 years, I sent an email all the way up to 7 stat boards and ministries, including PMO and Parliament House.  That got the case discussed between my MP and the then-minister for HDB during parliament break and was satisfactorily settled in 7 calendar days.  Does that sound any different essentially? Only diff is, I&#8217;m not restrained by any martial laws and Mindef was not involved.  Lee Hong Yi did something justifiable and righteous, but bound by unjust laws, in civilian terms.  He might not make a good soldier in the eyes of martial laws, but he sure is righteous and the kind of person we need in our new generation.  And this whole saga has portrayed a good image for Singapore internationally, for we have proven that even the top dog can get into deep shit if he doesn&#8217;t do things right, even if he is from the Lee family.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
		<link>http://aaron-ng.info/blog/punished-for-blowing-the-whistle.html#comment-16050</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 11:22:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think perhaps, i have another view, the people already know what happens in the SAF, comon, we all have to serve, however, perhaps this could be part of a long term agenda, for instance, didnt his father, the current PM, serve as a 'brigadier general' i use that term in inverted commas, since he's currently the world record holder for a general without combat experience.
now would people look back when his son is up for elections and thing 'hey isnt that the guy who blew the whiste, etc etc?

long term propaganda is what i think it is, if anyone else did that, it would be instantly covered up and made to disappear....

now i wonder who is going to be the PAP front man in a couple of years?

think about that. you may support him now for his 'valiant actions' but for all you know, it may be a ruse, the news media in singapore is known to be an agent of the government, giving props to the current ruling party for years, and showing the opposition in a poor light. 
in this country of not so free press and lack of civil liberties, perhaps we are just all part of a long term plan to keep the lee family in power for years to come.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think perhaps, i have another view, the people already know what happens in the SAF, comon, we all have to serve, however, perhaps this could be part of a long term agenda, for instance, didnt his father, the current PM, serve as a &#8216;brigadier general&#8217; i use that term in inverted commas, since he&#8217;s currently the world record holder for a general without combat experience.<br />
now would people look back when his son is up for elections and thing &#8216;hey isnt that the guy who blew the whiste, etc etc?</p>
<p>long term propaganda is what i think it is, if anyone else did that, it would be instantly covered up and made to disappear&#8230;.</p>
<p>now i wonder who is going to be the PAP front man in a couple of years?</p>
<p>think about that. you may support him now for his &#8216;valiant actions&#8217; but for all you know, it may be a ruse, the news media in singapore is known to be an agent of the government, giving props to the current ruling party for years, and showing the opposition in a poor light.<br />
in this country of not so free press and lack of civil liberties, perhaps we are just all part of a long term plan to keep the lee family in power for years to come.</p>
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		<title>By: Hear ye! Hear ye! &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Why the support for Li Hongyi</title>
		<link>http://aaron-ng.info/blog/punished-for-blowing-the-whistle.html#comment-16029</link>
		<dc:creator>Hear ye! Hear ye! &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Why the support for Li Hongyi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jul 2007 02:48:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Li Hongyi incident which surfaced last week saw many Singaporean netizens expressing their support for Hongyi&#8217;s [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Li Hongyi incident which surfaced last week saw many Singaporean netizens expressing their support for Hongyi&#8217;s [...]</p>
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		<title>By: jon</title>
		<link>http://aaron-ng.info/blog/punished-for-blowing-the-whistle.html#comment-16028</link>
		<dc:creator>jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jul 2007 05:19:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two supervising officers were issued letters of warning for administering inappropriate punishment.

Think about that.

This means at least two senior officers were aware of the problem and had decided to ignore 2LT Li Hongyi’s complaint.

If 2LT Li had followed the “proper channel”, what makes you think the 3rd senior officer up the chain of command will do anything?

MINDEF needs to clarify what it means by “proper channels”.

Will Li Hongyi be charged if he merely sent his letters to everyone directly above him (ie, Defense Minister, CDF, CoA, Chief Signal Officer, etc)?

The problem with that approach is that all these senior guys may still decide to ignore his complaint. What can he do then? In my opinion, his letter to everyone (including the unit storemen, cook, etc) directly causes the AWOL LTA to be court-martialed.

Cos the SAF leaders are now aware that justice must be seen to be done. Otherwise, they cannot no longer maintain effective discipline among the men.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two supervising officers were issued letters of warning for administering inappropriate punishment.</p>
<p>Think about that.</p>
<p>This means at least two senior officers were aware of the problem and had decided to ignore 2LT Li Hongyi’s complaint.</p>
<p>If 2LT Li had followed the “proper channel”, what makes you think the 3rd senior officer up the chain of command will do anything?</p>
<p>MINDEF needs to clarify what it means by “proper channels”.</p>
<p>Will Li Hongyi be charged if he merely sent his letters to everyone directly above him (ie, Defense Minister, CDF, CoA, Chief Signal Officer, etc)?</p>
<p>The problem with that approach is that all these senior guys may still decide to ignore his complaint. What can he do then? In my opinion, his letter to everyone (including the unit storemen, cook, etc) directly causes the AWOL LTA to be court-martialed.</p>
<p>Cos the SAF leaders are now aware that justice must be seen to be done. Otherwise, they cannot no longer maintain effective discipline among the men.</p>
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		<title>By: kaniabo</title>
		<link>http://aaron-ng.info/blog/punished-for-blowing-the-whistle.html#comment-16026</link>
		<dc:creator>kaniabo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jul 2007 06:10:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kaniabo..leh 
Ask his grandfather sue sue  sue lah, 
Thsi is the last person who are not kiasu  lo!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kaniabo..leh<br />
Ask his grandfather sue sue  sue lah,<br />
Thsi is the last person who are not kiasu  lo!</p>
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		<title>By: wayss</title>
		<link>http://aaron-ng.info/blog/punished-for-blowing-the-whistle.html#comment-16025</link>
		<dc:creator>wayss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jul 2007 05:59:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Li HongYi's email saga is likely a plot by someone to: (1) embrass TCH so that his political power will be deminished in time; (2) pace a way to groom Li HongYi as the next PM, that is, showing that he is righteous person that people can trust in future; (3) try winning votes by showing justice in Spore, i.e. no one is above the law; (4) try showing to the foreigners that Spore system is fair and justice and also open; (5) pace a way to remove certain fractions in the SAF; and (6) try scoring points for LHL and PAP as a whole. (above reasons are not in priority order - it is up to your imagination)

Unfortunately, many bloggers and Singaporeans do not see the whole juncle but only individual trees.

The key questions to ask:
(1) Why such a SAF email can be leaked to the public? Obviously, either this is intentional as a plot for some other more cruel reasons, or this reflect the current status of SAF which means Spore can be in deep shit because of security exposure.
(2) Who has actually copied the email to the public? Some blogs suggest that it is Li's own family member. If this is so, it is even more likely that this email saga is a plot.
(3) What purnishment he will receive? Li has also violated the SAF rule as a AWOL person (absent without handing over duty to the next on duty) and also did not observe the chain of command for complaint.  In US or other 1st world army, such person will be dishonourly discharged from the army, and also charged for betraying the country and leaking of top secrect army information. I do not believe SAF is really serious about this case. This means our national security is just a hollow shell.

This is just another wayang. There will be unexpected backfire.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Li HongYi&#8217;s email saga is likely a plot by someone to: (1) embrass TCH so that his political power will be deminished in time; (2) pace a way to groom Li HongYi as the next PM, that is, showing that he is righteous person that people can trust in future; (3) try winning votes by showing justice in Spore, i.e. no one is above the law; (4) try showing to the foreigners that Spore system is fair and justice and also open; (5) pace a way to remove certain fractions in the SAF; and (6) try scoring points for LHL and PAP as a whole. (above reasons are not in priority order - it is up to your imagination)</p>
<p>Unfortunately, many bloggers and Singaporeans do not see the whole juncle but only individual trees.</p>
<p>The key questions to ask:<br />
(1) Why such a SAF email can be leaked to the public? Obviously, either this is intentional as a plot for some other more cruel reasons, or this reflect the current status of SAF which means Spore can be in deep shit because of security exposure.<br />
(2) Who has actually copied the email to the public? Some blogs suggest that it is Li&#8217;s own family member. If this is so, it is even more likely that this email saga is a plot.<br />
(3) What purnishment he will receive? Li has also violated the SAF rule as a AWOL person (absent without handing over duty to the next on duty) and also did not observe the chain of command for complaint.  In US or other 1st world army, such person will be dishonourly discharged from the army, and also charged for betraying the country and leaking of top secrect army information. I do not believe SAF is really serious about this case. This means our national security is just a hollow shell.</p>
<p>This is just another wayang. There will be unexpected backfire.</p>
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		<title>By: The Palisade</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Palisade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jul 2007 02:25:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"I still maintain that Hongyi didn’t expect it to leak." 

We'll see. 

"I believe the email was sent through Mindef’s intranet system."

Yes it was. 

"I believe that all emails within the intranet are at least of a restricted level of classification, which means that it is not meant for public consumption."

Look, I know the classification is there, but nobody's stopping you from leaking it. It is difficult to track the source of leak or leaks when you have, as Hongyi has done, sent his e-mail to at least hundreds of people. 

If he had sent it to five people then, yes, he probably wouldn't expect the e-mail to leak. But the way this e-mail was crafted, meticulous and generously peppered with quotes from the national education archives, suggests a man trying to win over more than a few exalted superiors. He is trying to reach to as many people at one shot as possible. Considering there isn't actually much in the way of confidential information, you'd say it wouldn't really matter of these "many people" were in the military or not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I still maintain that Hongyi didn’t expect it to leak.&#8221; </p>
<p>We&#8217;ll see. </p>
<p>&#8220;I believe the email was sent through Mindef’s intranet system.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes it was. </p>
<p>&#8220;I believe that all emails within the intranet are at least of a restricted level of classification, which means that it is not meant for public consumption.&#8221;</p>
<p>Look, I know the classification is there, but nobody&#8217;s stopping you from leaking it. It is difficult to track the source of leak or leaks when you have, as Hongyi has done, sent his e-mail to at least hundreds of people. </p>
<p>If he had sent it to five people then, yes, he probably wouldn&#8217;t expect the e-mail to leak. But the way this e-mail was crafted, meticulous and generously peppered with quotes from the national education archives, suggests a man trying to win over more than a few exalted superiors. He is trying to reach to as many people at one shot as possible. Considering there isn&#8217;t actually much in the way of confidential information, you&#8217;d say it wouldn&#8217;t really matter of these &#8220;many people&#8221; were in the military or not.</p>
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