Comments on: Survey Participants Needed http://aaron-ng.info/blog/survey-participants-needed.html Comments, opinions and an occasional ramble Wed, 19 Nov 2008 16:06:40 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: pudek http://aaron-ng.info/blog/survey-participants-needed.html#comment-17838 pudek Thu, 05 Jun 2008 06:46:51 +0000 http://aaron-ng.info/blog/survey-participants-needed.html#comment-17838 I am really glad to see the back of that scum! Darkness I mean. I am really glad to see the back of that scum! Darkness I mean.

]]> By: observer http://aaron-ng.info/blog/survey-participants-needed.html#comment-17829 observer Wed, 04 Jun 2008 11:09:13 +0000 http://aaron-ng.info/blog/survey-participants-needed.html#comment-17829 T"he boy knows how to chasmere and champagne a lady. He also knows how to thunderbolt us. That’s very important. " Lady of the Lake T”he boy knows how to chasmere and champagne a lady. He also knows how to thunderbolt us. That’s very important. ”

Lady of the Lake

]]> By: Green Rover http://aaron-ng.info/blog/survey-participants-needed.html#comment-17823 Green Rover Wed, 04 Jun 2008 01:46:52 +0000 http://aaron-ng.info/blog/survey-participants-needed.html#comment-17823 Pray tell! What has Bambi Darkness Boy mentioned so far abt this whole business of the "community moderator" and the setting up of a non elected committee? Do try to get the right end of the stick here LOTL. I think, when one looks at all his comments, writings and quips. The force of all these comments are directed to only a few broken record points and targetted to only a few people, I think, at people who think critically and at critics whole work aims at a close appreciation of the social political process. If I may summarize, his main idea is divided into 3 main segments. Go and examine them carefully. You can almost say it is a tri-ology. For one he has liken this whole idea of a non democratically elected committee to something closer to religion. If you notice, he keeps saying for it to be relevant. Then it must be seen to be important. There has to be miracles. Even the turning of water into wine, raising the dead and bountiful catches. So that is a big clue, we should be mindful of how the MSM plays up this whole idea of the community moderator. Once their spin machine starts it will not be too hard to spot. I spent many weeks just deliberating over this statement. I wondered to myself, why does he keep repeating it? I believe the main idea of what he is trying to convey is that even as we must fully comprehend the pastness of the past, there is no just way in which the past can be quarantined from the present. Past and present inform each other, each implies the other and, in the toally ideal sense intended by those who choose to manipulate it to serve their own ends. In short he knows, they dont have the legitimacy, so they need to set about the task of setting up the justification and myth making machinery. Hence the similarity with religion. Let be very clear. There is a clue here. http://singaporedaily.wordpress.com/2008/05/12/daily-sg-12-may-2008/#comment-2116 What we see here is the synthesis of three elements, the ideal, the real me and what I want to be, however, note all a idealistic and in important ways a function of his own peculiar interpretation of how he sees the world. Central of the tussle is the idea, there will always be conflict with which individuals and institutions decide on what is tradition and what is not, what's relevant and what's not, what's acceptable and what's frowned on. Bambi Darkness Boy doesn't believe the divide can be resolved through formulation. In other words he doesn't believe the whole idea of a committee even one managed by bloggers can possibly reflect the collective views of netizens. I believe he's right, look at this whole case involving Gopalan Nair. Tell me how would the community moderator have solved this matter? I say it cannot be done, not without having to be the stooge or second fiddle of the govt. Not without having to derogate from its primary duty to weight largely political, economic and social questions. And how can they even do this in an unbiased manner? Some of which are so conflated such as what exactly is the dignity of the judiciary? Whatever happened to the idea real gold is not afraid of fire? See what I mean? In every case what usually happens is scarcely any attention will be paid to what you and I believe is the privilege role of culture in the modern internet experience. That's why Bambi keeps saying, the whole idea of the community moderator is a bit like religion. It doesn't even have to work to even work. You see its all based on faith. It came to me last night in a sweet dream. Do excuse my long reply all. Pray tell! What has Bambi Darkness Boy mentioned so far abt this whole business of the “community moderator” and the setting up of a non elected committee? Do try to get the right end of the stick here LOTL. I think, when one looks at all his comments, writings and quips. The force of all these comments are directed to only a few broken record points and targetted to only a few people, I think, at people who think critically and at critics whole work aims at a close appreciation of the social political process. If I may summarize, his main idea is divided into 3 main segments. Go and examine them carefully. You can almost say it is a tri-ology. For one he has liken this whole idea of a non democratically elected committee to something closer to religion. If you notice, he keeps saying for it to be relevant. Then it must be seen to be important. There has to be miracles. Even the turning of water into wine, raising the dead and bountiful catches. So that is a big clue, we should be mindful of how the MSM plays up this whole idea of the community moderator. Once their spin machine starts it will not be too hard to spot. I spent many weeks just deliberating over this statement. I wondered to myself, why does he keep repeating it? I believe the main idea of what he is trying to convey is that even as we must fully comprehend the pastness of the past, there is no just way in which the past can be quarantined from the present. Past and present inform each other, each implies the other and, in the toally ideal sense intended by those who choose to manipulate it to serve their own ends. In short he knows, they dont have the legitimacy, so they need to set about the task of setting up the justification and myth making machinery. Hence the similarity with religion.

Let be very clear. There is a clue here. http://singaporedaily.wordpress.com/2008/05/12/daily-sg-12-may-2008/#comment-2116

What we see here is the synthesis of three elements, the ideal, the real me and what I want to be, however, note all a idealistic and in important ways a function of his own peculiar interpretation of how he sees the world. Central of the tussle is the idea, there will always be conflict with which individuals and institutions decide on what is tradition and what is not, what’s relevant and what’s not, what’s acceptable and what’s frowned on. Bambi Darkness Boy doesn’t believe the divide can be resolved through formulation. In other words he doesn’t believe the whole idea of a committee even one managed by bloggers can possibly reflect the collective views of netizens. I believe he’s right, look at this whole case involving Gopalan Nair. Tell me how would the community moderator have solved this matter? I say it cannot be done, not without having to be the stooge or second fiddle of the govt. Not without having to derogate from its primary duty to weight largely political, economic and social questions. And how can they even do this in an unbiased manner? Some of which are so conflated such as what exactly is the dignity of the judiciary? Whatever happened to the idea real gold is not afraid of fire? See what I mean? In every case what usually happens is scarcely any attention will be paid to what you and I believe is the privilege role of culture in the modern internet experience. That’s why Bambi keeps saying, the whole idea of the community moderator is a bit like religion. It doesn’t even have to work to even work. You see its all based on faith. It came to me last night in a sweet dream. Do excuse my long reply all.

]]> By: Lady of the Lake http://aaron-ng.info/blog/survey-participants-needed.html#comment-17819 Lady of the Lake Tue, 03 Jun 2008 14:34:25 +0000 http://aaron-ng.info/blog/survey-participants-needed.html#comment-17819 Logic has absolutely nothing to do with it. It's really a matter of ice served up in a silver bowl. A row of white teeth. A sparkle of eye. A swagger. Darkness is a fool, but what many don't understand is a fool has his charms. http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=ME_uTJyjUfk Who really cares abt the affairs of a few dusty old men? Logic has absolutely nothing to do with it. It’s really a matter of ice served up in a silver bowl. A row of white teeth. A sparkle of eye. A swagger.

Darkness is a fool, but what many don’t understand is a fool has his charms.

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=ME_uTJyjUfk

Who really cares abt the affairs of a few dusty old men?

]]> By: Lady of the Lake http://aaron-ng.info/blog/survey-participants-needed.html#comment-17818 Lady of the Lake Tue, 03 Jun 2008 13:56:08 +0000 http://aaron-ng.info/blog/survey-participants-needed.html#comment-17818 Hello. One thing is clear to me. A leopard does not change its spots. Darkness lives a double life ? surprise, surprise. He is good with women, very, very good. He’s attentive. We all adore him. Besides he’s a looker and you can hardly go wrong there especially when he's carrying your shopping. Why? The boy knows how to chasmere and champagne a lady. He also knows how to thunderbolt us. That’s very important. He has a fleet of fast cars, he has a way abt it and he knows how to titillate and flaunt it all. If you study him, one thing surfaces, he is a sulker, that’s all he really is as Everest is a great mountain or the Aswan dam is a great body of water. I don’t believe ordinary people understand how persuasive he can be. If one is with him, he will sms you day and night, he is just an incredibly good jaga, cocooning one in a velvety balm. Never ever leaving one a drift for even one moment. You see at the end of the day that is all there is to it. People will always vote for those who they really believe in. If you don’t believe me, just go and ask how he managed to win his fight with his own church. Did Bambi Darkness Baby Boy really win on merit? No, all he did was carry the bags of a few super rich women and when he whined as he did, what did they do? They were only too glad to kill the opposition. He will win. Only this time the battle is conducted off line, but he will win. That's certain. That life, that's politics and that's certainly what it means to be a survivor. You watch and see if you dont believe me. Lady of the Lake Hello.

One thing is clear to me. A leopard does not change its spots. Darkness lives a double life ? surprise, surprise. He is good with women, very, very good. He’s attentive. We all adore him. Besides he’s a looker and you can hardly go wrong there especially when he’s carrying your shopping. Why? The boy knows how to chasmere and champagne a lady. He also knows how to thunderbolt us. That’s very important. He has a fleet of fast cars, he has a way abt it and he knows how to titillate and flaunt it all. If you study him, one thing surfaces, he is a sulker, that’s all he really is as Everest is a great mountain or the Aswan dam is a great body of water. I don’t believe ordinary people understand how persuasive he can be. If one is with him, he will sms you day and night, he is just an incredibly good jaga, cocooning one in a velvety balm. Never ever leaving one a drift for even one moment. You see at the end of the day that is all there is to it. People will always vote for those who they really believe in. If you don’t believe me, just go and ask how he managed to win his fight with his own church. Did Bambi Darkness Baby Boy really win on merit? No, all he did was carry the bags of a few super rich women and when he whined as he did, what did they do? They were only too glad to kill the opposition. He will win. Only this time the battle is conducted off line, but he will win. That’s certain. That life, that’s politics and that’s certainly what it means to be a survivor.

You watch and see if you dont believe me.

Lady of the Lake

]]> By: 3RD STAGE GUILD NAVIGATOR / CEREBUS http://aaron-ng.info/blog/survey-participants-needed.html#comment-17795 3RD STAGE GUILD NAVIGATOR / CEREBUS Sun, 01 Jun 2008 08:46:50 +0000 http://aaron-ng.info/blog/survey-participants-needed.html#comment-17795 Harphoon, We are scheduled to fold space this evening. We only have band width for one sling. No more - @ Primus: 9974/0934 – 54 / Most of the boys have already left / including the skeleton team – make your way to Bay 15 in Entropia – Darkness has used his influence with the South Americans to ferry you and the remainder out on board the star cruiser KDD CHALCHIHUITLCUE / if not that the Thai Deep space vessel KDD AMPORN will take you and the remainder out. He wants you to RDV with the KDD RAMAYANA @ sector 0093/0073 strangelands / she is holding geo-static orbit over the Irrullian system. We need the diplomatic corps to reason with the Thai’s. We need to borrow their servers for at least 48 hours. We cannot fold without additional bandwidth. Darkness has asked you to speak directly to the Lady of the Lake and give her this message capsule. Tell her it comes with all his love. He says, she will never refuse him: http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=XK2Mn-XgHjA Tell her, the brotherhood needs help. Go now. This is my last message. We are all blasting off! Cerebus 2008 Harphoon,

We are scheduled to fold space this evening. We only have band width for one sling. No more - @ Primus: 9974/0934 – 54 / Most of the boys have already left / including the skeleton team – make your way to Bay 15 in Entropia – Darkness has used his influence with the South Americans to ferry you and the remainder out on board the star cruiser KDD CHALCHIHUITLCUE / if not that the Thai Deep space vessel KDD AMPORN will take you and the remainder out.

He wants you to RDV with the KDD RAMAYANA @ sector 0093/0073 strangelands / she is holding geo-static orbit over the Irrullian system. We need the diplomatic corps to reason with the Thai’s. We need to borrow their servers for at least 48 hours. We cannot fold without additional bandwidth.

Darkness has asked you to speak directly to the Lady of the Lake and give her this message capsule. Tell her it comes with all his love. He says, she will never refuse him: http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=XK2Mn-XgHjA

Tell her, the brotherhood needs help. Go now. This is my last message. We are all blasting off!

Cerebus 2008

]]> By: 3RD STAGE GUILD NAVIGATOR / CEREBUS http://aaron-ng.info/blog/survey-participants-needed.html#comment-17794 3RD STAGE GUILD NAVIGATOR / CEREBUS Sun, 01 Jun 2008 07:13:02 +0000 http://aaron-ng.info/blog/survey-participants-needed.html#comment-17794 To: 1st Pre-Science Officer Harphoon The Guild Federation apologizes unconditionally for the following statements made by 2nd stage Guild Navigator – The Chronicler / membership No: 00264 (1) http://singaporedaily.net/?p=420#comment-1503 We have already taken steps to rectify this misunderstanding with our Malaysian channel partners. They are satisfied with our explanations. I have also been in communication with Mercantile Guild. They have informed me everything is under control. The transaction involving the space stations will proceed according to plan. We will be sending down a delegation to KL to oversee the final handover next week. Leave this matter to us. (2) For the record, the offensive statements made to the personage of Darkness emanated directly from the Chronicler. We have to register our protest under the strongest terms as his statement was made under his personal capacity. We do not have any record indicating this was ever sanctioned by the Guild Federation. Contrary to your stated assertions. You have my word on this matter Harphoon. The Chronicler will face a court martial and his account has been frozen pending further investigations. We would like to emphasize, you should leave the disciplining to us. May I remind you and the rest, the Chronicler is a guild representative, therefore he does not come under the auspices of the space diplomatic corps. I trust you will allow us to deal with this matter. I hope you are duly satisfied Harphoon. I would like to state for the benefit of the record, we are treating this matter with utmost urgency. And I assure you a full investigation will be conducted to determine as to whether the Chronicler acted alone or whether this is a wider plot involving possibly others. Once again we wish to apologize and express our deepest regret, contrition and disgust for the recent conduct of the Chronicler to you, Darkness and the Webmaster of “Hear Ye, Hear Ye.” Indeed this is regrettable. I am sure it was just stress. As you yourself mentioned, these are tiring times. We wish you all good health, prosperity and God Speed. Guild Federation Representative 3rd Stage Guild Navigator Cerebus 2008 To: 1st Pre-Science Officer Harphoon

The Guild Federation apologizes unconditionally for the following statements made by 2nd stage Guild Navigator – The Chronicler / membership No: 00264

(1) http://singaporedaily.net/?p=420#comment-1503 We have already taken steps to rectify this misunderstanding with our Malaysian channel partners. They are satisfied with our explanations. I have also been in communication with Mercantile Guild. They have informed me everything is under control. The transaction involving the space stations will proceed according to plan. We will be sending down a delegation to KL to oversee the final handover next week. Leave this matter to us.

(2) For the record, the offensive statements made to the personage of Darkness emanated directly from the Chronicler. We have to register our protest under the strongest terms as his statement was made under his personal capacity. We do not have any record indicating this was ever sanctioned by the Guild Federation. Contrary to your stated assertions. You have my word on this matter Harphoon. The Chronicler will face a court martial and his account has been frozen pending further investigations. We would like to emphasize, you should leave the disciplining to us. May I remind you and the rest, the Chronicler is a guild representative, therefore he does not come under the auspices of the space diplomatic corps. I trust you will allow us to deal with this matter.

I hope you are duly satisfied Harphoon. I would like to state for the benefit of the record, we are treating this matter with utmost urgency. And I assure you a full investigation will be conducted to determine as to whether the Chronicler acted alone or whether this is a wider plot involving possibly others. Once again we wish to apologize and express our deepest regret, contrition and disgust for the recent conduct of the Chronicler to you, Darkness and the Webmaster of “Hear Ye, Hear Ye.”

Indeed this is regrettable.

I am sure it was just stress. As you yourself mentioned, these are tiring times.

We wish you all good health, prosperity and God Speed.

Guild Federation Representative

3rd Stage Guild Navigator

Cerebus 2008

]]> By: Aaron Ng http://aaron-ng.info/blog/survey-participants-needed.html#comment-17789 Aaron Ng Sat, 31 May 2008 07:27:06 +0000 http://aaron-ng.info/blog/survey-participants-needed.html#comment-17789 Chronicler, Let me explain in plain language why I say you know nuts about about what you are talking about. Firstly, Likert is a scale, not a method or analysis. The method is a survey. Likert is merely one of the ways to measure an ordinal variable. As for analysis, you take the data and run it through correlation analysis, regression analysis or whatever other analysis suitable for answering your research questions. Secondly, even if you have 1000 responses, the results are meaningless if the sampling is not properly done. It's not about mathematics. Statistically, 1000 responses is an excellent number of responses but if all 1,000 responses come from members of the brotherhood, the results are not generalisable to the population. It is only generalisable to members of the brotherhood. The results of statistical analysis are meaningless if the sampling is flawed. In anycase, based on the intent of the study, it appears that the research design isn't meant to be generalisable so it really doesn't matter if the brotherhood boycotts the survey or not. That being the case, it doesn't matter if it is 50, 500 or 5,000 responses. I suggest that you read up on statistics for social science before you challenge me next time. Statistics for mathematics and statistics for social sciences are not quite the same. Chronicler,

Let me explain in plain language why I say you know nuts about about what you are talking about. Firstly, Likert is a scale, not a method or analysis. The method is a survey. Likert is merely one of the ways to measure an ordinal variable. As for analysis, you take the data and run it through correlation analysis, regression analysis or whatever other analysis suitable for answering your research questions.

Secondly, even if you have 1000 responses, the results are meaningless if the sampling is not properly done. It’s not about mathematics. Statistically, 1000 responses is an excellent number of responses but if all 1,000 responses come from members of the brotherhood, the results are not generalisable to the population. It is only generalisable to members of the brotherhood. The results of statistical analysis are meaningless if the sampling is flawed.

In anycase, based on the intent of the study, it appears that the research design isn’t meant to be generalisable so it really doesn’t matter if the brotherhood boycotts the survey or not. That being the case, it doesn’t matter if it is 50, 500 or 5,000 responses. I suggest that you read up on statistics for social science before you challenge me next time. Statistics for mathematics and statistics for social sciences are not quite the same.

]]> By: Aaron Ng http://aaron-ng.info/blog/survey-participants-needed.html#comment-17788 Aaron Ng Sat, 31 May 2008 07:13:25 +0000 http://aaron-ng.info/blog/survey-participants-needed.html#comment-17788 Harphoon, Thanks for weighing in. The grievances voiced by Chronicler are valid and I will take up the topic in a later entry for discussion. It seems to me that the brotherhood is not a monolithic group and it probably complicates matters that there are self-proclaimed brotherhood members but I do hope the actions of Chronicler is a mere aberration. I have great respect for both you and Darkness for the both of you are very reasonable and I hope I can say the same for the rest of the brotherhood members. Harphoon,

Thanks for weighing in. The grievances voiced by Chronicler are valid and I will take up the topic in a later entry for discussion. It seems to me that the brotherhood is not a monolithic group and it probably complicates matters that there are self-proclaimed brotherhood members but I do hope the actions of Chronicler is a mere aberration. I have great respect for both you and Darkness for the both of you are very reasonable and I hope I can say the same for the rest of the brotherhood members.

]]> By: Harphoon http://aaron-ng.info/blog/survey-participants-needed.html#comment-17787 Harphoon Sat, 31 May 2008 07:04:14 +0000 http://aaron-ng.info/blog/survey-participants-needed.html#comment-17787 The boycott recommended by the chronicler will have to stand on both counts. Let me explain to all of you why? Even activist such as Yawning Bread cannot deny, this whole idea of advocating a community moderator must at least be seen to be consistent. If you note very carefully, he delights in taking issue with what our govt does and doesn’t do. However, when it comes to issues directly on his door step i.e the issues which we have raised, he is adamant and even refuses to acknowledge them. We can only draw a few conclusions from this. He is either not interested. Or he doesn’t have the inclination to indulge in these matters. In both cases, this makes a very poor case for someone who proposes to occupy the high ground as a moral advocate. One cannot be in a pick and choose what is morally consistent, yet aspire to occupy a moral high ground. I just call this hippocrisy. He is a hopeless case for even the gay movement or for that matter any movement! The boycott recommended by the chronicler will have to stand under my authority. I will support it full heartedly. However, I expect the chronicler to issue an official apology to Darkness ( I cannot understand why he was purposely single out by the guild, in their vile reference: on 30 May 2008 at 6:16 pm – There is no excuse for this! Do you hear me!). I also want the guild federation to issue out an official apology to our Malaysian friends! Harphoon. The boycott recommended by the chronicler will have to stand on both counts. Let me explain to all of you why? Even activist such as Yawning Bread cannot deny, this whole idea of advocating a community moderator must at least be seen to be consistent. If you note very carefully, he delights in taking issue with what our govt does and doesn’t do. However, when it comes to issues directly on his door step i.e the issues which we have raised, he is adamant and even refuses to acknowledge them. We can only draw a few conclusions from this. He is either not interested. Or he doesn’t have the inclination to indulge in these matters. In both cases, this makes a very poor case for someone who proposes to occupy the high ground as a moral advocate. One cannot be in a pick and choose what is morally consistent, yet aspire to occupy a moral high ground. I just call this hippocrisy. He is a hopeless case for even the gay movement or for that matter any movement!
The boycott recommended by the chronicler will have to stand under my authority. I will support it full heartedly. However, I expect the chronicler to issue an official apology to Darkness ( I cannot understand why he was purposely single out by the guild, in their vile reference: on 30 May 2008 at 6:16 pm – There is no excuse for this! Do you hear me!). I also want the guild federation to issue out an official apology to our Malaysian friends!
Harphoon.

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