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Taking someone’s ass to be your face
The title of this entry is a the literal translation very famous Hokkien (a local dialect) saying, which goes something like this when romanised: gia lang eh kar chng di bin per. This saying is typically invoked to poke fun at people who have no shame and have no qualms about taking the glory of another and passing it off as their own.
This saying succinctly sums up the feeling of some Singaporeans about the Olympics silver medal effort by the Singaporean women table tennis team in the 2008 Beijing Olympics. All members of the team were born in China and grew up there before they were lured by Singapore into taking up a citizenship here. Even though they are Singaporean citizens now, I believe some of my fellow Singaporeans think that the victory says more about China’s ability to produce talent than our ability to win by our own efforts.
Does it really matter if the athletes who won the medals weren’t born and raised here? Actually, I don’t think it’s a problem. Singapore was, historically, an immigrant society and it is not uncommon to welcome people from other lands to start a family here and call this little island home. The only problem for me with regards to sports is that Singapore generally goes out and pick out those who have already shown potential to give them Singaporean citizenship.
This explains why I’m much more delighted with swimmer’s Tao Li’s performance than the table tennis team’s achievements. Tao Li came to Singapore to study English before she was discovered to be a talent in the pool. At the very least, she wasn’t deliberately imported to win medals. Of course, her temperament does need some moderation but that’s a story for another day.
I would liken Tao Li’s case to that of Anastasia Liukin, the American Olympic gold medalist gymnast born to Russian parents. The Americans didn’t pluck Liukin from the Russians only when she showed promise of being a world champion. Liukin moved to America when she was very young and started playing around in her parents’ gymnastics club while her parents, both world class gymnasts themselves, were coaching other kids. Her talent was recognised only after she got to America so I think the Americans can certainly bask in the glory of Liukin’s achievements.
While I’m happy for the women’s table tennis team, I’m hesitant to celebrate this ‘victory’. I’ll wait for Tao Li to bring home an Olympics medal before I start to celebrate. I don’t want to be gia lang eh kar chng di bin per.
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about 3 years ago
“Singapore generally goes out and pick out those who have already shown potential to give them Singaporean citizenship.”
Do we believe that there may be a talented table tennis player who may have fallen through the cracks in our system down the years?
If Li Jiawei was born and bred in Singapore twenty years ago (when the Olympic medal dream was not played up as much as it is now), what would her pragmatic parents in a pragmatic society choose for her – education or sports?
Have we considered the Government’s perspective, with us being a relatively young nation? How about the debates on our national identity (or the lack of one)? What will this medal win do, in the eyes of the Government, for our national pride and identity? What is the source of this pragmatism in our society? To what lengths have the Government gone – down the years – to make sacrifices and to do away with the sentimental for the greater “good” of the nation?
A not-so-stellar result of this approach can be seen on our national football team. Was there so much debate about nationality and citizenship when they won regional tournaments? Or was it because our foreign imports were not Chinese but mainly Africans and Europeans?
about 3 years ago
Given the fact that Singapore has supposedly limited resources nor are we a welfare state, I am dead against the government using public resources to ‘buy’ this medal. Of course, kudos to the China Team B players (sponsored by our taxpayer’s money).
If we had not bought them, other countries would, and I wish other countries did.
Maybe this is a medal for Lee Hsien Loong and Vivian – but not for Singaporeans – as it has torn our country right down in the middle.
All these millions of dollars, going to retreat in Japan, etc etc.
Watch this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_lzrGUGAWM
PAP govt- Stop this frivolous medal buying and get on with improving the lives of the bottom 20 percent!
about 3 years ago
This silly govt just don’t get it. Lame PM , Yes men, ball-carriers, it will never end until we put them out of business !
Great idea to use the words of wisdom in Hokkien to describe this shameless govt. I have PRC friends who agree with me that it was essentially a China B team vs China A team and they do not respect our method of getting the silver. My PRC friends also wonder if Singaporeans really understand what pride is about. I explained that it was the Singapore govt’s idea, they have this obsession that money can fix all problems and hired the B team.
about 3 years ago
Familyman:
While I agree with your views, I believe the Government’s perspective on these issues is very different. What the citizenry sees as priority for spending is different from the Government’s priority in the wider, broader and bigger scheme of things. If the country was ready to compete for a medal in the Olympics twenty years ago (and that it can bring about huge economic benefits to the country), I can bet with my bottom dollar that the Government would spare no effort in making that happen.
As you have correctly mentioned, the Government has consistently insisted that Singapore is not a welfare state. They have stated very clearly what the citizenry should expect of the Government and themselves. If they fail to make that mark, they can get some form of help but they cannot expect the kind of support given by Governments in other countries.
If this issue has made people unhappy, they should do something constructive about it via proper channels. (Putting up that YouTube video will evoke some emotional response, but given the general nature of most Singaporeans, it may become a distant memory in a few months’ time.)
about 3 years ago
stoop to gain:
So in your view, the Government is “shameless” and “silly”, while our Prime Minister is “lame”.
It is clear that you are unhappy about this. So what’s your plan then? What initiative are you taking?
about 3 years ago
Supporting the opposition in words and deeds. Continue to expose this govt for what they really are. Singaporeans deserve better.
about 3 years ago
I was about to use Nastia Liukin as an example too. Anyway, she is quite cute. Check out her official site.
about 3 years ago
Stoop to gain:
Expose the Government? For what? To who? On what basis? And what is there to expose?
Support Opposition Parties? How? Who? Which?
about 3 years ago
are you that ignorant ? then stay ignorant ! Since you are pretending, then I will just have a good laugh.
about 3 years ago
IrCTP,
Of course I am aware of everything you said. You are merely repeating the government’s line. If I believed in the government’s line, I wouldn’t have wrote what I wrote. I can see that what the government is doing is the most pragmatic approach but that doesn’t mean I have to agree with it. You may like this approach but others sure don’t.
And, don’t start trying to insinuate I have something against people from PRC. As stated clearly in the entry, I don’t have a problem with Tao Li, and she comes from PRC. Maybe some people do, but I don’t. Make it clear who you are referring to when you say things like that.
about 3 years ago
stoop to gain,
it is easy to sniff out the ball-carriers , they expose themselves all the time. LOL
What, who, which, why, how.
conflict of interest = father, son + daughter-in-law, etc.
integrity of the judiciary = IBAHRI report
sense of fairplay = elections boundary,GRCs, upgrading coercion,elections dept under PM’s office
transparency + accountability = country’s reserves + investments
= MHA’s cockups, etc
underhand,despicable means = persecution of political opponents,
= overriding the constitution
= unjust laws
credibility = media propaganda degenerate to 154th ranking.
lacking in integrity = never admitting to mistakes.
the last one takes the cake, how to trust a person or even deal with such a person ?
about 3 years ago
Ian,
I think Shawn Johnson is way cuter. I like her big eyes and mega-watt smile.
about 3 years ago
Aaron:
Missed the point absolutely and completely.
about 3 years ago
stoop to gain:
Can’t cite even an example of your support or how you are going to expose the “Government”? Your rant is nothing but hot air then.
about 3 years ago
Nice piece Aaron!
I agree with spin doctor that not admitting to mistakes is the first clue to a person’s integrity.
The ball-carriers should learn the meaning of integrity and embrace it, then come back to cyber space. LOL
about 3 years ago
IrCTP,
I don’t even see what is your point. You don’t even seem to have a point to begin with. You never stated what is your stand on the matter. In fact, it seems to me that most of the time, you don’t want to take a stand. I am not going to place a value judgment on why you are refusing to take a stand but if you want a meaningful discussion, lay down your position (just like the folks from the Brotherhood who always make clear their position on contentious issues) and why you choose to take that position instead of criticizing people for ‘missing the point’ or just being ‘hot air’.
about 3 years ago
IrCTP,
you are truly daft ! read the recent postings by another netizen regarding this govt’s activities and read again the sentence “supporting the opposition in words and deeds”. What I do to help the opposition is for you to find out, no worries about the hot air, opinion of ball-carriers is what I despise and it is one reason why this govt has been bold in its activities.
about 3 years ago
Hey, you speak 83-year-old granny’s lingo! That’s cool!
I’m just as uncomfortable with the sham of getting Olympic medals through the back door. Actually, 83-year-old great-grandma said it this way, “Bway heow kian seow. Gia lung eh kar chng beh cho bin beh.” Hokien translated to English means, “No shame. Use the skin of someone else’s buttock to implant on your face.” And please don’t tell me it’s fine just because the other countries are doing it.
There are some who would even sell their own mother for a profit. Shall we follow too?
Pyrrhic victory?
feedmetothefish
about 3 years ago
feedmetothefish,
Wa si gao bin peh, si sua gong nia. Na si gong sala mai chio wa hor. (translation: I’m just being thick skin and spouting rubbish. If I said something wrong, don’t laugh at me, ok?)
about 3 years ago
Aaron:
I don’t spoonfeed. Read between the lines of the questions I’ve asked.
stoop to gain:
I seriously hope your contributions to the Opposition’s cause is not restricted to the odd comment about how “lame” our Prime Minister is.
about 3 years ago
IrCTP,
like I have said , I seriously despise ball-carriers and their opinion. They are one reason for a lame PM existing in this system.
about 3 years ago
Aaron,
Lanang chioh lai chio kee, wha hee toh ho. [Let's laugh at each other and be happy!]
No worries, young man, I do not consider you “gao bin peh” and you are not spouting nonsense. I can relate to your writings, especially this one, and I encourage you to keep it up!
You are much better than the one who tries like hell, (with statistics?) every year in the month of the hungry ghosts, to glorify himself, telling how much he and his rich elite party has done and will do for Sinkies!
Yes, every 7 moon of the lunar year, we need to feed the hungry ghosts. In the same month, the son of the father also needs to feed his bloody hungry ego and paint himself a 10/10 report card for the world to see!
While most are sick and tired of his annual “mee siam see hum”, he still tries very hard to be a comedian. The one on “I Not Stupid” was really stupid. The one on “Stop At 2″ really takes the cake this year! One up on his dad?
Then again, for $3.1million per annum (or is it $3.7M), he needs to show that that he is working harder and better than Bob Hope, Jerry Seinfeld and the 3 Stooges put together.
To me, this annual ritual is spouting rubbish!
On the rally speech, Lau Hokkien would say, ” Chui kong, lumpar song!”.
I’m sure you figured that out but for the benefit of those not into Hokien, it means ” Mouth speaks, testicles (bollocks) feel good!”
Cheers,
feedmetothefish
about 3 years ago
It is an obvious shame. What’s troubling about the shame is that it was not apparent to them and also the justification of the shame. Maybe they are in denial.
Somehow, over extending state’s wealth cheapens or degrades lives and turns public servants into flesh or meat traders.
about 3 years ago
For more detailed discussions on this important topic, see:
http://forums.delphiforums.com/sunkopitiam/messages?msg=1142.1
Singapore Kopitiam:
http://forums.delphiforums.com/sunkopitiam/messages/
about 3 years ago
feedmetothefish,
Actually I find Hokkien to be very interesting. Some of the sayings are really funny and apt. I’m not very good but I know a couple of funny sayings and descriptions.
Since you are talking about our million dollar ministers, perhaps the following Hokkien saying might be of relevance: gor chiam dua kueh gu chia lian (translated: five cent coin is bigger than the wheel of a bullock cart – a derogatory description of rich and snobbish people).
Not sure if I remembered it correctly but I’ve heard similar being tossed around by aunties and ah mahs.
about 3 years ago
hmmm when it comes to the govt and hokkien… i sure have a few choice ones that I want to tell them… mostly starting the KNN… type..
about 3 years ago
My late father was from China and I am a Chinese by race.
As a local born Chinese, I yearn not a medal, whatever it is made of, nor the glory of winning one by any of my fellow countryman or imported talents . The Olympic Spirit was long dead when money was offered as incentive. It is no more sport, it is business, no different from other commercial activities. Shame to the World for losing the spirit and the soul of everything and for commercializing every human activities.
The Sins of the Leaderships in every nations that want more for themselves than for their subjects and countries are mothers of all sins, especially when their countrymen are suffering, even if there are just a minorities of them.
Pity the Foreign Sports Talents; when they come to make a living here, they stunt and contract their own opportunities to better and excel in their sporting endeavours. There are no opportunities for them them to train with likes and better calibres nor are they in the hands of best coaches. But if money is the greatest consolation and satisfaction, the Talents have the Rights to their own decisions. However, note the relegations and compromises of their sporting achievements.
Politics have no place in sports or rather sports can be independent of politics, however, it is such a shame that activitities that were once organized by local communities have now by and large fall into the hands of governments and hence became controlled by politicians. Sporting activities have becom tools for political leaders to manipulate their subjects. The Leaderships can choose to select who to train, who to send for competitions and who to lead the competitors. Oh shit! It is powerplay sports for politicians.
To cut it short, give Singaporeans simple comfortable livings, times to make loves, times to pursue sports and hey, there will be plenty of babies just like before the sixties, even seventies and local sports talents. Tan Howe Liang, Ang Peng Siong, Dollah Kassim, Hills(squash) Fandi Ahmad, Sundramurthy and many others. Ang Peng Siongs’ father, Ang Soon Bee and Choo Seng Quee(soccer) were great local coaches too. There were calibres before, but they have to depend on themselves. Were we rich then? Yes, in everything except money. We were rich in feeling(emotion), kindness, naivety/simplicity, passion and importantly conscientious as humans.
patriot.
about 3 years ago
Aaron,
Well said. For every 5 cents they dish out to Singaporeans, the ministers would make a bullock cart (song & dance) out of it! And the msm will amplify it thousand times to show chenghu sipeh ho! (gahmen very good!)
Patriot,
Thanks for helping me reminisce the good old days of 60′s & 70′s.
Why is the glory of our current achievements, be it in economy, sports or even record breaking ministers salary and the record of title creation (PM>SM>MM>what next?) not shared by most Singaporeans?
Having so much, why then are we having so little?
With the sickening and perpetual self-congratulations & hubris of how we have arrived because of one man & one party, I sometime wish we were that little fishing village again. More space. less stress, simplicity at its best! Time to laugh, time to love, time to make babies! Aptly put by you, it’s “Simple Comfort”
There is a price to pay for all the 43 years of brainwashing and the social engineering. The “Babies Special” is payback time for “Stop at 2″ fiasco. Let’s hope the son will not have to pay more at a later date for all the party’s and father’s sins!
The Latest Olympic Medals? Nothing more than to feed the huge EGO of some very hollow souls whose every desire and want in life have already been met by their million dollars salary!
feedmetothefish
about 3 years ago
Dear Feedmetothefish;
the Stop At Two Campaign(Birth Control) has done significant damage. This shows that the So-called Wiseman is very capable of great blunders. Another horrible damage coming our ways will be the Integrated Resorts.
Industrializing vices, be it gamblings, sex trades or even alcoholic consumptions are highly anti-social, they are no good for society.
Nationalising the English Language and diluting the Vernaculars of the Orientals was(is) another great sin. Though invisible, the Language Divides, due to the Government Policy, between parents and their offsprings are ominous. Because of it, fundamental cultures and traditions are altered, adulterated and shifted.
Importing Foreign Talents equals the potential damages of all the above mentioned. The cohesiveness of the population will be difficult to hold and frictions are likely to ensue as competitions get tougher by the days. Conflicts will be common amongst the populace and conflicts between the Rulers and the Rules will get more vicious.
Yes, the Self-claimed Wiseman is too wise for the good of Singaporeans.
I wish him long live, long enough for him to see and reap the fruits of his blunders.
patriot
about 3 years ago
patriot:
Agree with you on the Stop-At-Two campaign being too effective, but I’ll stop short of labelling it a “blunder”. The Wiseman and his advisers were no fortune tellers.
Disagree with you on nationalising the English language. We had to be pragmatic to give our young nation then to put us ahead of the competition economically in the region.
Agree with you on the diluting of vernaculars of the orientals. It was pragmatism to the extreme which removed any semblance of the orientals’ culture.
Disagree with you on the import of foreign “talents”. The world has become smaller and any country being too protective of its citizenry stands to lose out in the long term. As long as there is money to be made, there is no stopping people from moving to another place or coming in. Loyalty has been shafted down in terms of priorities in this day and age.
The people in Hong Kong would have loads to complain. There is now a huge influx of PRCs into the country and there is now a greater emphasis on mastering Mandarin when it was almost unheard of before the handover in 1997. The entire situation has changed considerably for the Hong Kong people. While they still complain (of that I’m sure), they have largely stuck in and got on with life, trying the best they could to survive. They do not expect too much from the Government. They have the spirit of tenacity there, what about us in Singapore?
about 3 years ago
Hi IrCTP;
much appreciation for your response.
The tree dies when its’ roots rot, making English Language a practical and useful medium is very different from NATIONALISING it. Worse, the Vernaculars, indigenous to the locals were annihilated and the reason was not economic but politic.
Btw, no other nation adopt the above arrangement knowing well the consequences to their origins and nationhoods. France, a member of EU and Englands’ neighbour, is highly proud of its’ own cultures. I am sure France wants friendships and neighbourliness and economic progress but will not compromise with anything that will anyhow upsets its’ own national identity and interests.
HongKong is part of China all along except for the period ceded to the British, which has ended in 1997. Putonghua is the National Language of Mainland China, Hongkongers are Chinese Subjects. Dare I say that Hongkong will be a brighter pearl in the years to come and will last and progresses with time because it is in the arms of the Motherland. In comparison, I think Singapore is fading and fading fast.
The Chinese Race is genetically a very hardworking species, such that, be they in Hongkong, the Africas, Iceland, Greenland and anywhere else, they are likely to survive. I am not chauvinistic in saying so, it is reality.
Importations of foreign talents are not all positive as some tend to believe. The reason is simple, why does only some and few believe that the Move contributes constructively? The majority of Singaporeans are acutely aware of our very limited landmass and resources. This piece of cake is small, it is poor by nature, it cannot afford to share! It has to look for bigger oven, why else do You think that MM Lee Kuan Yew is still hoping for a merger with Malaysia? I wish the same too.
Allow me to assert that if not for the love of this tiny red dot, will we find our talented Singaporean Bloggers and netizens whinning and struggling for fellowmen? They would have all packed and enjoy their lives elsewhere. Do hope that the Egoistic Leaders are conscious of this fact!
IF money and glory follow ones’ journey into afterlife, go for it! BUT, when we witness tons of money been wasted because they are laundered and kept unused in banks such as what Marcos, Suharto did and presently Chen Sui Pian is doing, we know what vain people do are likely to end up in vain not only to the perpetrators but their fellow countrymen suffer as well.
patriot
about 3 years ago
Hi patriot,
Maybe it was extreme, but nationalising English was necessary for our country to gain a competitive edge over others. I dare say that despite Singaporeans not being masters of the language, the proficiency level was enough for us to communicate. Many Singaporeans in their 40s and 50s can speak English, as compared to people from that generation in Hong Kong, Taiwan, Thailand, Indonesia and even Malaysia. The PAP government during the earlier years of Independence has always been pragmatic.
Was the annihilation of vernaculars really political or was it more of pragmatism? It might have been obvious to Mr Wiseman — given Taiwan’s and the PRC’s adoption of Mandarin as the official Chinese language — that Singapore should follow. He might have made an informed decision in the late 1970s when the reformist Deng Xiaoping rose to the ranks and that China could well awaken as a sleeping economic giant in the future. That might have triggered the tough stance against dialects.
France may be proud of its culture, but do consider the country’s long history. Singapore is a young nation made up mostly of immigrants. It is extremely difficult to carve out a national identity within 43 years. The recent debate over the women table tennis’ medal win was all because we do not have a national identity (let alone a strong one). Take also into consideration, the Government’s adoption of Malay as our national language and the language of our national anthem back in the 1960s. It’s pragmatism again.
The biggest differences between Singaporeans and Hong Kong people are tenacity and resilience. Being a British Colony longer than Singapore, the Hong Kong people had long conditioned themselves to expect very little from the British Government and vice versa. The colony’s success can be largely attributed to the resilience and (like you have mentioned) the hardworking attributes of its people. They carved out a living for themselves and this resilience can still be experienced today among its people. They have that survival instinct that carried them through the turbulent post war years and put themselves in a position (without much of the British Government’s interference) where they took over the role of East Asia financial centre from Shanghai. Today, they will need every bit of their survival instinct because of Shanghai’s resurgence.
Again, the early PAP Government’s pragmatism might have bred generations of Singaporeans into dependence. Despite the insistence that the country is not a welfare state, the extent of interference in citizens’ lives (all due to pragmatism) led to a crutch mentality. It has resulted in Singaporeans generally being submissive to Government’s policies, be it a popular or unpopular one.
The Government has taken on the responsibility of making decisions (most of them pragmatic) while Singaporeans have left it to the Government to decide on what is best as long as there is a roof over our heads and food on the table.
It may be pragmatism again if Singapore is to merge with Malaysia (which Mr Wiseman had suggested in the past).
As for your point about Singaporeans migrating, if you can remember, Mr Wiseman was upset a few years ago over the issue of Singapore’s brain drain.
My bottom line is this — Singaporeans should starting thinking for themselves and work towards playing a bigger role in making themselves heard and their voice appreciated by the Government — be it dominated by PAP or any other political party. If we want change, we have to make that happen (within civilised limits), no matter how hard it is because you know, I know and many know that change has always been from the top-down. It took us 43 years to be where we are today and it will take a lot longer than that for Singaporeans to develop a strong sense of political maturity.
In other words, it’ll have to start now.
about 3 years ago
Dear IrCTP;
indeed it was pragmatism all the way, pragmatism that leads to lots of negativities. Heritage goes the way of the Dodo, citizens ended up with crutches because their feet are overworked and their souls are overwhelmed.
It appears, not a single Asian or South East Asian Nation has allowed English to be the Main Language, not to mention it being a national one. Maybe the Philippinoes are proficient with it, but English Language does not make Philippines a rich nation. In any case, I have said it many times at various sites that no country propers by adopting English Language as national language. And indeed, if English Language results in economic progress, England shall perpetually be the richest country in the World. It was almost, but centuries ago when few subjects in its’ colonies understood the English Language!
Sinaporeans had and are contributing ideas, opinions and suggestions all these years, however our ‘talented’, egoistic and selfish leaders have always and never fail to claim they know best. They are talented, elite, genius and couple of them may even think they are gods for they meddle with Nature such as STOP AT TWO CAMPAIGN.
patriot
about 3 years ago
Dear patriot,
English might have come from England but don’t forget that the extent of the British empire at the turn of the last century (where the sun never sets on the British Empire) and the US’ rise as a superpower following the end of World War II.
Also to clarify, English is not Singapore’s national language (also it pretends to be so). Officially, it is Malay. I beg to disagree with you that having placed the importance on English in our education system, Singapore has managed to get ahead of her neighbours in the region. Whether it has brought about our prosperity as a national, it is debatable but it has certainly made it easier to do business and for MNCs to set up their offices here.
England may not be the richest country in the world (it might have been probably during the early 20th century) but no one can deny the fact that their language is spoken widely on the international stage. One example is how the Chinese Government took great pains to get Beijingers to be up to scratch in English before the Olympics. Also, the PRCs are signing up for English classes in droves and this may just well spell the end of Singaporean’s advantage in being bilingual (albeit marginally).
You are right in saying that Singaporeans have largely contributed ideas down the years, but how many supported these people, at the least, in spirit? Why wasn’t there more opposing voices when the Government implemented those unpopular policies you have cited? How often have the sole voices of these people drowned out by the voices of the authorities (and not forgetting the media)?
We have all ourselves to blame for the situation that we are in. Even now, when someone makes a stand, rarely has there been people supporting it on more concrete terms or to expand on that idea. How many Singaporeans are willing to stand up and be counted? When JB Jeyaratnam peddles his books in the crowded areas, how many people actually support him in his work? I’ve only seen a strange phenomenon where there is a cute five-metre “no man’s land” forming between him and the crowds. You may not agree with his methods or his ideals, but he is making his voice heard on behalf of some Singaporeans. The same goes for the “unorthodox” methods adopted by a famous bespectacled opposition politician here. When Catherine Lim was given a rap on the knuckles for an article she contributed to the Straits Times a few years ago, where were those who thought she raised legitimate points?
If we talk about some people playing gods, maybe we should think about who built them the thrones and pedestals in the first place, let alone putting them there.
about 3 years ago
Edit:
“also it pretends to be so” should be “although it pretends to be so”.
about 3 years ago
IrCTP;
thanks again for your kind interactions.
Over the past 45 years or so, Singaporeans have seen what happened and is happening to politicians like Lim Chin Siong, Chia Thye Poh, JB Jeyaratnam, Chee Soon Juan and many others. If lay citizens fear the Regime, it is all because they know reasoning with the Rulers will result in examples nothing short of the afore-mentioned politicians.
With loyal citizens and the Internet, many and more people are contributing to the Political Discourse. Now, let us see how receptive the Regime will be.
Singaporeans are politically very active, in my personal observation. They talk politics in coffee shops, offices, markets, wakes and anywhere. But, however we put it, the people including the Oppositions are no match to the Machineries of the Regime. This, however, does not make me feel that the Regime will last long, in fact, I now feel that more citizens are willing to dump this country to the dogs. Many more will vote with their feet if they do not see changes. Maybe the best strategy is to get away from it all.
Just as an aside, many anticipate big troubles in the Leadership when the Wiseman goes, any take on this?
patriot
about 3 years ago
patriot:
Thank you for your response.
There are many ways to skin a cat and therefore, there are also ways to make our voices heard without getting into trouble for ourselves and our families. We must start somewhere, somehow or else, nothing will change. (Yawning Bread has an interesting entry you may want to check out — http://www.yawningbread.org/arch_2008/yax-927.htm).
Singaporeans can be most politically “active” only to a certain level. Beyond that, there is a paucity of activities. Armchair political punditry is easy nowadays. You start a blog and you are free to express your views on anything and everything (provided you don’t push the OB markers). Now many people are talking about the STTA controversy. Six months later, many people would have long forgotten about it and moved on to voice their opinions on the hottest issues. People may say, “We’re voicing our opinions and therefore, it may lead to discussions and then onto something.” Talk is cheap, but where’s the real, constructive discussion which can lead to something more substantial and something that people can engage in?
Let’s look at Hong Kong, especially a few years back when the SAR Government was about to pass an anti-subversion law. A substantial number of Hong Kong people came out to protest (peacefully, I may add). This is something Singaporeans could emulate and work towards. The problem is we are a very long way from that. The Singapore Government is restricting such activities for many reasons (and some of them are valid and legitimate). One of them is the lack of political maturity and civic-mindedness among Singaporeans in general. But we have to start somewhere and work towards that goal. The first step to it is to raise the level of political and civic maturity. Trivalising issues like what a certain popular “blogger” has been doing via podcasts and marginally acceptable political satire does more harm than good in getting Singaporeans to be more politically mature.
Of course, it is easy for anyone to give up, pack their bags and migrate, since it is almost an uphill task. You can say that people voting with their feet and there is nothing wrong with that. Yet, there are people who are still plugging away (JB Jeyaratnam is one of them, despite being in his 80s).
As for the future, has history not demonstrated how Mr Wiseman is a very astute and careful planner?
about 3 years ago
IrCTP;
the responses from You have allowed me to understand You from your perspectives. Some Singaporeans including You based in Hong Kong are lucky to have experienced its’ system of governance. I view Hong Kong in very positive lights all along and believe it has great future.
Singaporeans, like You say, have got plenty to do politically for a better tomorrow. I wish our leaders can see the love its’ people harbour for the Tiny Red Dot and are very concerned for the countrys’ wellbeing.
To Singaporeans who are based out countries and who are as concerned for their dear Singpore, may I take this opportunity to say a big thank You all!
Good night!
patriot
about 3 years ago
patriot:
Minor clarification – I am not based in Hong Kong. Thanks.
about 3 years ago
IrCTP;
my sincere apology for the Mistake. Nevertheless, after the very enlightening exchanges with You and points by other netizens all considered, the Conclusion is that it is not just a blunder as mentioned in my Opening Post. But a big blunder, for now, Singapore has to make up for the shortfall in birth by resorting to attracting foreigners. Much unhappiness has been/being generated by this measure, especially when ridiculous reason such as foreign talents will generate more wealth and jobs for the locals, when in actual fact, they rob the locals of them.
Allow me to extrapolate a little; say 3 million Singaporeans moved into Beijing City or Shanghai, these Singaporeans will disapper in the crowds. Conversely, 1/2 a million Chinese (from China), a 1/4 million Indians (from India) and another 1/4 million others from elsewhere are welcomed to reside in SIN, this tiny red dot would be filled to the brim. There will be congestions in living space/roads, saturations of markets/facilities and worse frictions and conflicts due to competitions in everything. The Locals will also become minority in no time, does it make sense?
Olympic and any other medals of any colours do not concern me, my tummy and the livelihoods of fellow Singaporeans do. Faced with difficulties in survival, glory has no meaning and purpose. It is like beauty to a dying person,only slightly better than beautification to a dead one.
May I end my discussions here by saying I respect the Wiseman for being prescient to the Need for him to rise from his grave. I see the Need too, but will tell him not to because the causes for the Need itself is he himself. Do not rise again because the people do not want to be haunted!
patriot
about 3 weeks ago
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