Aug 8th, 2007
The significance of National Day celebrations
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Once again, it’s that time of the year again to celebrate our nation’s independence since 1965. Held at Marina Bay this year, the celebrations this year is being billed by the mass media as being the best ever. It’s probably the most expensive ever too, considering that it was probably not cheap to construct that “floating” gallery.
I always wonder if the amount of expenditure on such a lavish celebration every year makes any sense. The money can probably be better spent elsewhere but I suppose it is necessary to spend this money simply because human beings appear to have an innate need for rituals. Well, whether we Singaporeans need the annual ritual of National Day celebrations is not so clear but our leaders clearly think that it’s necessary.
From a sociological perspective, rituals are important to the proper functioning of a society because they serve the social function of expressing and reinforcing certain shared values and beliefs. In the case of Singapore, National Day celebrations is never without a display of some of our military prowess, ostensibly to send a message to both Singaporeans and neighbouring countries that Singapore is more than capable of defending herself.
For the conspiracy theorist, there might be a more sinister side to National Day celebrations. The amount of euphoria generated as a result of every celebration temporarily suppresses the unhappy feelings of social groups left out of Singapore’s rapid economic development. After all, during National Day celebrations, certain keywords like equality and unity keeps getting replayed, intoxicating the average Ah Kow. When Ah Kow finally wakes up months later, the next National Day hype is invoked again.
Maybe I shouldn’t read too much into the meaning of National Day celebrations. After all, many people are happy with getting to watch fireworks and spectacular aerial displays by the Air Force. And of course, the government is happy to send us the annual reminder on how we were kicked out of Malaysia but under the eminent leadership of MM Lee, we overcame the odds to become a first world nation with a third world backyard.
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Hmm, I never really thought about NDP in this way. It’s a tad over-cynical, but some of the points do make sense.
Personally, I think National Days are indeed important days for any country, and the celebration should be grand. The military displays are also because it’s always the SAF who organises the NDP, so I guess they will surely want to give themselves lots of air-time?
With regards to the last point, I see nothing wrong with having the reminder. MM Lee did do an amazing job making Singapore what it is today, although it was not without its collateral damage and sacrifices. But hey, it could have been much, much worse.
Anyhow, just enjoy National Day dude! It’s a public holiday, no matter how you look at it
Not cynical, its critical ^^
My view on NDP more critical…
http://minorepiphany.blogspot.com/2007/08/singapore-42nd-national-day-parade.html
I attended my polytechnic’s celebrations yesterday. Left halfway because I couldn’t stand the noise any longer.
Lots of food for thought about propaganda. You are right that NDP propaganda “temporarily suppresses” dissatisfaction in the population, because propaganda, is by nature, intended to show only the nice stuff about Singapore. Any complaints about pay hikes are forgotten among catchy songs and impressive parades.
What I can’t stand is that the screaming crowds at the celebrations just suck up all the propaganda without thinking.
Ideally, propaganda would be unnecessary. A good government should be judged only on its actions, and propaganda gets in the way of an objective assessment it.
National Day is the day to show that our defense budget is well spent…
where we celebrate our transition to a globalised city of possiblities and a day we can get together to celebrate the grand achievements of our leaders and appreciate their efforts to bring greater success to this nation.
In my national day message, I will discussing ownership. Do people feel they own this place or are just employees of Singapore Inc and National Day is Singapore Inc day ….
jdtoh,
You responded to Yee Hung with the exact answer I want to give!
We want to celebrate as a nation but by the look of it (years after years), the day is to celebrate the existence of the party. If you observe very very carefully, the audience wear whatever they liked (mostly red, color of the nation). But the party members wear their PARTY signature attires and not colours of the occassion. Now, that’s what we called PARTY UNITY, while we are supposed to celebrate our NATIONAL UNITY. Remind me of KJI style of massive display of leadership affection. Well, happy ND everybody, whatever it means nowadays.
Yee Hung,
I’m not being cynical la. As jdtoh pointed out, I’m just being critical. Actually, I am not exactly being critical but rather, I want to provide another direction to think about National Day from a sociological perspective (to to use a more cheem term, deconstruct). It’s a mind/academic exercise more than anything else.
This year could be different. The significance of National Day celebrations this year might just mark a milestone of more radicial price hike in many thing to come. First, PAP give, later they take back with interest .
The day we call it a national day is the day where all ministers are naked and get whip in backside
Dear Sir & Madam,
My name is Lee Yoke Mui. I am from Seremban, Malaysia, currently studying in UTM. I have been trying very hard to make direct contact with one of your Singaporean bloggers who goes by the name of Darkness. A small group of us here in Malaysia would like to interview him or consider going over to your great Republic to do an interview. We have been trying very hard to make contact. Sometimes leaving ten or twenty messages a day, but to no avail. Recently I believe they have moved out of the Intelligent Singaporean. We dont know where to start looking for them. Can anyone please recommend me to an internet central repository or someone who knows it well enough to give us advise. Pls kindly post the details here. Terima Kasih & Happy National Day Singapura. LYM.
Its about time to learn to unlearn. Being fed with fast foods,
fast money, fast promotion, fast propaganda, fast everything,
the mind simply becomes muddled up and clogged to the extent
that one simply cannot see the difference between black and
white, or red and white, or whatever colors. Many shades
of Grey have been thrown at us like beautiful flowers showering
the dead before putting them into the grave.
While celebrating Singapore’s Independence Day, do not forget
to celebrate your own Independence Day. Its time to unlearn.
Its time to wake up from the euphoria of past glories before it
is too late. Happy National Day to those who are really Happy.
Hmm… Perhaps before we think about any hidden significance of National Day, we should think whether Singapore is a “nation” in the first place? And, on that note, maybe we ought to think about what we mean by “nation”?
That aside, if I’m not wrong, once, during a career talk, I heard this guy from MINDEF saying that there is a department within MINDEF which think about & decide what military equipment Singapore can show to the world (in TV shows, NDP & overseas training). So I am in agreement that the military showcase during each NDP is not only to reassure Singaporeans but also to show to the outside world that Singapore is no pushover…
I appreciate what the old man and his merry men have done for us. But I can never accept the argument that it could have been worst or will be worst. Hey, we could have been much better, with well thought our population, housing, welfare and retirement planning. The only way does not simply mean the best way, the lack of critical assessment or challenge might have killed many a brilliant or better idea which would have benefited the population more. For example if the CPF was better utilised with better returns we would not be facing the present situation now. It might have been a only solution then and a good one but it has failed the test of time. Many a suggestion which are being considered now were short down due to the monoploy of the decision making process.
It does not mean that if something is repeated often enough, it becomes are universal truth. That Singapore would not have faired much better under the leadership of someone else or other political setup is nothing but a universal untruth being held as the absolute truth.
[...] taken more than 2 minutes. A trip down memory lane offers an alternative, somewhat darker story, a criticism of the ritualistic and propaganda function of National day celebrations; criticisms of National day rhetoric concealing the other possibilities, and concealing other [...]
Mui Mui,
“Can anyone please recommend me to an internet central repository or someone who knows it well enough to give us advise. Pls kindly post the details here. Terima Kasih & Happy National Day Singapura. LYM.”
http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pQcRq80yuyWXeqpakIg2ibA
If they are not here, then you had better try the Yellow Pages.
Btw I am a Malaysian aso. dun think they have gone.
Yok Mui,
On a serious note. I think most of our Malaysian readers may not notice this so spread this around the grapevine
http://intelligentsingaporean.wordpress.com/2007/07/17/intro-to-singapores-socio-political-blogosphere/
This explains what is happening, the brotherhood are fighting, so like I said, I dont think, they have gone, but I believe when they do so all the sheilds go up and communications gets cut off. This may be a new thing for some of the newer readers.
Pls get up to speed on the whole issue. I dont think, it is right for me to take sides on this issue, so you look and decide for yourself.
I really hope this helps YM. Strange that a Malaysian needs to help another Malaysian find a Singaporean blog.
Kawan
http://onthereddot.com/ian/2007/08/03/another-question-i-have-to-ask-god-when-i-die/
This will also keep you updated on the latest gossip. There are bits and pieces of it all over the place. For all you know that iantimothy fellow is probably one of their space foreign legion ‘liebstandardarte’ shadow force. I will not be surprised.
Pass it around please Mui Mui. Kamsiah ah.
I always wonder if the amount of expenditure on such a lavish celebration every year makes any sense.
Actually hor, MM said the same thing in a recent interview (saw podcast at STOnline a couple of days ago). He said that the money spent could be used to build a couple of community centres. Apparently, he had advisors who told him that’s what the people want (!?!?).
Happy National Day.
KTM,
That is an interesting comment coming from MM Lee himself. I suppose for any NDP, there has to be a certain level of festivity but I seriously wonder if we are over-doing it. I don’t think the scale and grandeur of our NDP will lose to North Korea.
Kawan,
I dont think they have gone leh. May I ask is this Ian Timothy their liebstandardarte reserve site? I thought that only applies to gaming, how does it work in blogosphere? Sorry my head just cant go around corners
Looks like it, they all have that red eye mascot. I just dont know where has all the talking part all disappear too? Where have they all gone? 
Reg Jas
http://www.singaporeangle.com/2007/07/introduction_to_singapore_soci.html
They are serious this time and as time passes ppl may even forget why, who and when. And I know what will happen as the fight drags on people will say, they were the unreasonable ones, it is always like that, or they took it too seriously and overeacted etc. So I will be sending this over so that those who want to know will be able to know what it was all about - how did it all start etc. This way all of you can make your decision for yourself.
I just want to know where they are holing up. Gone to all the usual places. All I see is post like this. Then there are others who are giving out all kinds of disinformation like they are here, there and everywhere.
Yoke Mui is not the only groupie looking for them. I count at least 6 to 9 on my side. Wtf are they? I am really getting irritated!
the funpack, which i am going to sell in ebay, will tie me through to the next national day.
i am grateful and shall kiss the soil the rich man tread
Lee Yoke Mui, meet darkness ?
You must be joking. Why do you think he called himself darkness ? He rather stay in the dark penning articles anonymously than meet people in the light to be used by people politically.
It’s better that Darkness stay this way lest that name has to be changed.
Some of the articles Darkness write is controversial and expose many so-called elite people, and exposing him is as good as asking elite to harm him.
So leave him and his army of darkness alone if we to continue to see the light.
For what I know about Darkness from some blog, he is prestigious person who travel extensively, experience more things than us, see the truth more than we see fallacy, and people hold him in high respect to protect him at all cost.
Hello,
(1)”You must be joking. Why do you think he called himself darkness ? He rather stay in the dark penning articles anonymously than meet people in the light to be used by people politically.”
Sorry, but I have personally met darkness on at least 3 occasions and so have many of the regular brotherhood readers. I didnt interact with him personally, but from what I observed he didnt come across as an exceptional person. He was well dressed, clean cut and looked just an ordinary guy, a bit quiet, not the talkative type, very polite and well mannered. I did remember he had a falcon like quality about him, very sharp and quick off the mark that endeared him to many of his female readers, but nothing special really. Or maybe I am just biased. Dunno, but that was how he came across to me. The rest were more talkative and more showy, but he seemed to be the direct opposite. You could say even distant and unapproachable. I sensed, I was dealing with a very complex and deep personality.
(2)”Darkness write is controversial and expose many so-called elite people, and exposing him is as good as asking elite to harm him.”
Hahahahaha “elites to harm him” I sincerely doubt it sir, you see its quite simple. The majority of brotherhood supporters are “elites” themselves. if you dont believe me just join one of their regular “get to know” sessions. I would say 99% of them are hardly your average man on the street. That I believe has always been a problem with the brotherhood. They’re top heavy. You would be hard pressed to get a single “elite” stand up against them publicly. They would disagree with him, but only in private. What many fail to recognize is the “elites” who regularly form the brotherhood readership exercise so much control and influence over the editorial because many of them are infact de facto writers who contribute indirectly to the brotherhood press. This is the part many of us dont regularly see, but if you take a look at their articles, its really a patch work of views sticthed together from many of their online discussions. It could even be safely said, the brotherhood press can never write anything about this erudite class because so much of their writing material emerges directly from them.
They are in a catch 22 situation, if they try to go mainstream, they will lose their core readers cum contributors. If they compromise they lose both of them. I suspect they dont really know what to do about this, only because the elites form the core of the brotherhood themselves. This could be why, they have such a strained relationship with even their core readers. But rest assured, the influence they weild over the “elites” and especially the scholar community is very real.
(3)”experience more things than us, see the truth more than we see fallacy”
Personally, I dont think much of darkness the online gaming character. I have too many gripes on this area to cite and many will probably be damaging, but let us say my hope is one day, he will be able to step out from darkness into the light.
I personally have alot of respect for not only darkness but the rest of the brotherhood as well. Where I part waves with them is how they regularly fail to connect with their wider readership and instead only molly cuddle their core readers. This I believe will work against them in the long run.
What of their recent fiasco with Singapore Angle. I for one consider this a form of madness that only one man and one alone can possibly pull off and we dont need to mention his name do we.
Good day Sir.
All I know is this. When he looks at me with those big brown liquid eyes. He looks sooooo sexy. He just looks, words are????????????You have to met the guy, he is smooth as silk.
If I had to guess, a ladies a man. Most definitely.
“What of their recent fiasco with Singapore Angle. I for one consider this a form of madness that only one man and one alone can possibly pull off and we dont need to mention his name do we.”
What of it? You notice something, they dont even care whether they are or are not mentioned any more. They have already come to accept it, they will be invisible, that means they will draw their own lines, define their own borders and even set their own goals without even consulting the rest of us.
That’s very dangerous, very dangerous indeed.
I do not believe either the people in Singapore Angle or even the Intelligent Singaporean understand fully what the brotherhood means by the term “war.”
If they did the IS would kick them out.
Soothy,
To me the matter can be easily resolved. Its a very simple question: Why wasnt the brotherhood press mentioned?
in the http://www.singaporeangle.com/2007/07/introduction_to_singapore_soci.html
Till todate Singapore Angle has remained silent. Bambi should go for the throat, write about the matter .
What is he waiting for? Everyone can see reasonable time has passed? The grace period is over. You strike down, no one will say a thing.
As it is no one even wants to get involved in this matter, so what is he waiting for.
What I want to know is simply this. How the hell did the panels in SA not notice something was missing when IS was mentioned? Actually what is their function, if it is not to ensure accuracy? Is it possible to mention the IS without seeing the brotherhood press? Because I notice in the vid, they even had the IS page up there for a good 30 secs, so what are you telling me, no one notice the brotherhood press! This also shows how useless the webmaster in the IS really is. I think he should bear 50% of the blame. I mean if I was in a partnership and someone threw a party on my behalf as a matter of common courtesy, I will still raise my glass to my partner. But in this case as we can all see kosong lah. that could be why the brotherhood pulled out their mascot HAL and now they have even put an end to all forum discussions.
Slowly they are showing those around them, if you do not know how to behave, I will teach you and you will learn.
This matter could have been easily resolved- but what really saddens me is, it will not go away. That’s the sickening thing about Bambi bad boy, it never ever just goes away.
I really dont blame them. It happened too many times. Everytime the IS is mentioned they were systematically marginalized. It reached a point when it all exploded to this point. Now it is simple, as darkness said I will come, see and conquer.
The question will never ever go away: Why wasnt the brotherhood press mentioned in the
http://www.singaporeangle.com/2007/07/introduction_to_singapore_soci.html
Anyone will feel betrayed, give them time. Writing abt will certainly clarify matters.
I agree, out all your hurt and feelings into what you want to say about either BL, Kevin or the Singapore Angle, forget the legal implications. We will deal with that later, if it comes, it comes, the brotherhood is seasoned like old leather by now!
Put it all down into words Bambi, never keep it in your heart like the matter concerning the church, where it slowly eats you up, turning all of you into embittered and angry people.
Enough time has been given. No one will say a thing. They would even go through the act of pretending, they saw or heard nothing.
At least history will be your witness - write darkness and entomb your anger forever.
Hammer the IS as well. It matters little. There is no love loss, but bury it and move on. That was the thing you people didnt do with the church and the cost today is so prohibitively high. I cannot even begin to tell you how many ppl are directly and indirectly affected by all this this.
State your case, make it crystal clear, shout obscenities if you must, do what needs to be done. The move on.
Love
Mummy
You will all forgive me for what I have to say. From today onwards, there will be a new order.
You will never speak as if, we do exist, if you do. I will produce the statistics and facts to rubbish what you say. I will do it! I will even go as far as to confront your editors and throw how ever much money needs to thrown.
Do you understand, if I see another post against, I will slap you and that will be that. Forgive me again but that is how it will have to be from now onwards.
Our days of generalization is over. It is finished, if you saY x is X, I will challenge it publicly. If you say this is Y is Y, I will prove it is Y plus something else, so it is best, if you reporters dont commit yourself factually, speak in general terms, but do shy away from specifics, because I will be around.
If you do the response will be sharp, short and shocking.
As for BL and Kevin and singapore angle their back patting days are over. I will stop here for now, In the name of peace, but do it one more time and I come down on you. I swear to God!
I did not wish for this war, it was brought to me. All I did was mind my own business. Even then you mother fuckers couldnt leave me and my boys alone.Till today those mother fuckers in Singapore angle havent even given me one single reason why we were not mentioned in their great blogosphere review. Not even one!
So you decide for yourself. I leave it to you.
I want to be a patient man. You have no idea how much I want to be that man. I want to be reasonable, but I ask myself, why do you mothers make it so doubly hard for me?
Forgive me again.
I will stop here for now only because I shown you all what we can do and how a I can make such a fool of myself, but remember no more.
No more means no more. Or I will be back again.
I am darkness, the man half the virtual world calls el diablo, it is a reputation that you have no idea how much it shames me to be even associated with it.
Darkness 2007
Counter-Strike Gaming Forum # 3029.009 Erico / Meta 0823 GMT when addressing the Mcycenians on the question why the brotherhood has to fight @14-8-07
” I have asked a very simple question. Why wasn’t the brotherhood press mentioned in
http://www.singaporeangle.com/2007/07/introduction_to_singapore_soci.html
It is not a difficult question to answer. Neither is iit even difficult to understand why, it must be asked, but till today, if you look at the whole of the internet.
No one has even given me and answer. What do you expect me to do? What is a man supposed to do if he called upon to walk the long road with a stone in his shoe?”
Darkness 2007
Counter-Strike Gaming Forum # 3029.009 Erico / Meta 0823 GMT when addressing the Mcycenians on the question why the brotherhood has to fight @14-8-07
“How long will I have to wait for an answer? Think what you are asking me Mcycenians! This is not an intelligent question - The question: should be this - how many times, can they pretend not to hear my questions and still speak of freedom, democracy and doing the right things?
Without even sounding hypocritical to the point of flushing them down the toilet. This I leave to you.
I swear to you by Kanly, I did not start this war!”
Darkness 2007
Counter-Strike Gaming Forum # 3029.009 Erico / Meta 0845 GMT when addressing the Mcycenians on the question why the brotherhood has to fight @14-8-07
“So you must all really forgive me, if I have to ask this question again and again and most probably again. I do not have any thing close to choice. You could even say it is a matter which is not so very different from my torrid relationship my own church - I ask, they pretend not to hear. I seek and they insist, its there and so really its an endless Chinese opera that will probably go on for years.
Never say, I am an unreasonable man. I have come all the way here to explain all this to you all. I expect nothing, not your support or even your consensus. Only that you hear me.”
Darkness 2007
[This excerpt has been entered into the Book of Ages under the appendix: “The day we said no to our history being wiped out! The day we said no more!” 93939-009 Chronicler
I copied this from the intelligent singaporean. All he wanted to know is “why” -incidentally this was the same question he asked his church - “why, do you do this to me!”
You have no idea what we have lost in terms of intellectual capital - absolutely none.
I will be leaving blogosphere for now, there is no point coming here or anywhere else any more.
“# Darkness Says:
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:45 pm
http://intelligentsingaporean.wordpress.com/2007/07/17/intro-to-singapores-socio-political-blogosphere/
HOW WAS IT POSSIBLE TO MISS OUT THE BROTHERHOOD PRESS?
BECAUSE I CANNOT UNDERSTAND, CAN SOMEONE PLEASE EXPLAIN TO ME, PERHAPS A JOURNALIST, A BLOGGER OR EVEN A READER.
HOW IS IT POSSIBLE TO HAVE MISSED US OUT BC I AM CERTAINLY NOT EVEN GETTING A SIMPLE ANSWER FROM THE PEOPLE WHO RUN SINGAPORE ANGLE OR EVEN MR BERNARD LEONG OR KEVIN LIM.
SO CAN SOMEONE PLS EXPLAIN TO ME?
Darkness 2007″
The singapore angle deleted every single post from the brotherhood.
Guess what the chronicler made a mirror copy of it, I will post this on a neutral site. As we can see, they will not anything to change the truth. have a mirror copy of it, every single transcript etc.
Dont believe me go take a look at this: it is all magically gone!
http://www.singaporeangle.com/2007/07/introduction_to_singapore_soci.html
http://www.singaporeangle.com/2007/07/introduction_to_singapore_soci.html
I wonder Singapore Angle, if you really are so sure of your position and believe that the truth is on your side - why is there a need to delete whole chunks of the discourse / Do you really believe the brotherhood did not make a copy?
Maybe you can share with us all the wisdom? Because I dont really understand what gives you the right to delete the post of others? Wasn’t darkness asking a valid question:
WHY WASN’T THE BROTHERHOOD MENTIONED IN THE THE BLOGOSPHERE REVIEW BY THE SINGAPORE ANGLE.
What is going to happen now is the Intelligent Singaporean going to start deleting as well.
I going to do everyone here a favor - I saved the entire thread - I will find a place and post it there!
Darkness was right you people have no sense of honor!
Dear Brotherhood Readers,
I knew darkness would self destruct. Deep inside, I just knew. For a while when they were just writing after that review incident, I said to myself, maybe he has let it all go, but I have read every single one of his internet novels. I probably even know him better than himself. I just knew deep in my heart of hearts this would happen.
I remember this from the confessions:
http://intelligentsingaporean.wordpress.com/2005/02/19/the-confessions-of-a-singaporean-gangster-in-london-chapter-25-%e2%80%9cthe-cigar-box-the-forger-once-gave-me%e2%80%9d/
The man who couldn’t run away from himself. Maybe he was describing himself more than the character himself.
The brotherhood have started to close down their SLF’s one by one, indiscriminately, they have started to re-arrange their communications. This only means one thing - this is probably the last message from the Geniue line. After this there will be no more.
I feel very sad. I knew it would always end up this way, he had to sabotage himself. It’s always like that wherever they go. I dont blame the SA, BL or even darkness. I just feel so sad that it has all come to an end.
Good bye all and God bless
Juicy Baby
You know what I think is really morally reprehensible? When a site master of the Singapre Angle has to go through the whole trouble of gutting out large chunks of dialogue simply because darkness asked very valid and pointed questions. The very fact they (SA) have to resort to deliberate alteration and glossing o over illustrates too clearly how inadequate and inept their position was in the first instance and secondly how indefensible it was to the case in question.When it comes to answering a very simple question that darkness asked:
Why wasn’t the brotherhood press mentioned in the blogosphere review?
The very fact that they have to resorted to this dastardly and underhand tactic is clear for all to see and one simply has to ask why? I am sure they can manufacture a variety of reasons to suit their means, but when a site claims to be a paragon of rational discourse and yet resorts to sort of banana republic tactic it shows only too clearly how morally and idealistically bankrupt they are. Firstly, they dont even have the confidence to allow the facts to speak for themselves to you the audience without resorting to censoring and coloring. Secondly they propose to alter the events by representing in a manner which only suits their purpose to validate their position.
As observer has noted correctly, (the chronicler) took the trouble to preserve the original thread only because we expected this much from the Singapore Angle.
If none of you believe they gutted it out to suit their own purpose just go and visit and see for yourself:
http://www.singaporeangle.com/2007/07/introduction_to_singapore
Incidentally this is the same site the claims to promote rational and fair discourse and even makes it a point to be regularly featured in the MSM.
I did not support darkness on this whole matter. I stood to one side quietly hoping to persuade him in my manner in my own time, but having seen this first hand, I believe, he was right - he saw right through the shit hole that it simply is.
Scholarboy & Astroboy.
Scholarboy.
My dear readers,
The time has come when we will have to say part again – I have left a note with Aaron, it’s a discourse in our Parliament why this must be, it’s hardly my choice – was I right to pursue the case? Maybe not, but it felt too right to put down without at least a fight.
Recently, I wrote another internet book, it’s entitled ‘the tree that binds,’ one that was inspired after watching a Korean series during a trip to Japan – like all my books its written during the filler moments when usually I spend waiting in airports and train stations – a story of quiet thoughts of two people in love in the shortest of breathes, touched ever so lightly like birds nesting in each other’s warmth, hardly a care for tomorrow. You will know them by their laughter but to each other they speak mostly through their silence and tears of hope, if they find themselves apart, they may dream perhaps of yellow fitches and sweet repose on a summers evening. If they dream of sitting undisturbed in each other’s presence, its only because that’s all the have, the moment wrapped warmly in each other’s warmth – a familiar balm reminding them having too little can be denial. Having too much may mean not even savoring life – so let us be content, let us smile, hold my hand and look at me just once - I put all my heart into the characters into this novel like a man standing on a ship looking out at the frothy wake to see where it shall take me with hardly a care – little did I realize, it was to you and away and for this I am sorry - there are no farewells only god speed like the one’s we once shared when we awaken so suddenly knowing dawn is just around the corner, yet its nice and comfy isn’t it – it’s a new day still lies asleep and the quiet seepages lay still fast asleep – meanwhile let me leave you with an excerpt of what little inspired me to write this new novel just for you and one day even if we walk away let us dream of vanilla skies.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_70cP77XGU&mode=related&search=
Yours ever more darkness 2007
Boys u all know what Charter 15 means right? Those mothers just issued us a one way ticket to the Russian front
/ You know what I may just drop by to see Tim again to start another icered.com in HK, what d u r think abt that?
Harphoon, AB, SB, Repairman, Pumpman,Trajan, KOHO, Atomic Monkey, Keith Ho, chronicler.
Do I hear those engines reving or what? hey hey. This could be just the ticket.
observer you can come along and bring that buzzard the bird of prey with you. Aurora you can come too if you like.
It’s a very start - a very good start indeed boys.
Darkness
(KOHO switch off the lights and burn all the SLF’s - leave no trails except the single line / no bubble.)
bullshit. IS also censored my comments. And IS censored the comments of fellow BP members to present a united front. Anyway, I am glad - cos the council of the wise says everyrthing was ok, move on, and I heard somone whining on and on thereafter.
inspir3d Says:
May 6th, 2007 at 12:33 am
funny, you are really making a fool of yourself.
go to the thread and see the comments are still there.
in any case, what is wrong with censorship? i like to keep my website nice and tidy.
and how come u got so much time to hang around my site?
go and do something more productive la!
inspir3d Says:
May 6th, 2007 at 12:35 am
harphoon, can i have an agreement with u.
from now on only u have the authority to ask for comment deletion.
i will disregard all other requests esp. KOHO
insp.
Harphoon Says:
May 6th, 2007 at 12:39 am
Its best that way.
Harphoon Says:
May 6th, 2007 at 12:45 am
could u pls delete 19 or censor it or something. I dunno. I have a feeling some of it came out bfr it went through his brain, if u ask me. I dont really dont want to get another round from those girls. cannot tahan already. harphoon
Dear all,
Well done the Singapore Angle Team, Mr Bernard Leong and Mr Kevin Lim, you actually nailed them and this time - their Council of the Wise has come down so hard on Darkness & Co, they have been blown apart into dust - great work!
All he asked was this question:
“Darkness Says:
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:45 pm
http://intelligentsingaporean.wordpress.com/2007/07/17/intro-to-singapores-socio-political-blogosphere/
HOW WAS IT POSSIBLE TO MISS OUT THE BROTHERHOOD PRESS?
BECAUSE I CANNOT UNDERSTAND, CAN SOMEONE PLEASE EXPLAIN TO ME, PERHAPS A JOURNALIST, A BLOGGER OR EVEN A READER.
HOW IS IT POSSIBLE TO HAVE MISSED US OUT BC I AM CERTAINLY NOT EVEN GETTING A SIMPLE ANSWER FROM THE PEOPLE WHO RUN SINGAPORE ANGLE OR EVEN MR BERNARD LEONG OR KEVIN LIM.
SO CAN SOMEONE PLS EXPLAIN TO ME?
Darkness 2007″
But bear this always in mind even when darkness asked this question, even the likes of harphoon, scholar boy and astro boy, all realized they had more or less inadvertently sealed their fates by openly defying the council of the wise.
Its as good as pushing the the self destruct button, that sets off the program that’s supposed to destroy a star ship, it’s irreversible, only they are no escape pods this time. And every single one of them knew they were as good as finished from that moment onwards.
Maybe its true darkness is a self destructive character, it had to happen. If it wasn’t this incident. Another would do just as well, but this nailed them dead and its a first. I have been following darkness & co for years, nothing beats them, nothing means nothing except this - they are as good as finished for the better part of their cyber life time.
Whatever this may or may not bring, as a long time reader on the brotherhood press posting on their first SLF line known as the Wanhai account which first started in Hong Kong in 2002 - I feel sad, because to me, they have been such a large part of my life and the way they all went was such a waste.
It could have been solved by a simple, “I am sorry.” Instead it took a turn for the worse and now it was even led to this, what are we left with now? I really dont know, in a few weeks, it will all the forgotten and life will just go on as it always has, but as I look out this morning, it seems darker today.
Have no doubts. I feel that as a long term reader. I owe Harphoon and the rest a duty to set the record right - the killed themselves off by asking the question that the Council told them not to ask - it was suicide.
Good Wishes
LTH
To The Brotherhood,
I am really shocked that you guys have decided to go. I really enjoyed all your articles, tediously researched, professionally and intellectually analysed and beautifully written, especially those of darkness’s and recently aurora’s.
I will really miss all of you guys. Please give me an honour of keeping in contact by dropping a line at my blog at:
http://www.sitis.wordpress.com
which was purposely set up for sharing my thoughts in response to what have been written by the Brotherhood.
I would not want to say goodbye, as I can’t bear the thought of saying goodbye. You guys will still be around. You have to. You must.
Therefore, I shall always remain yours in faith and in trust:
AS IT IS!
(my tears is coming down … )
Written this day, the 24th August, 2007 Singapore Time: 1330 hours.
My afternoon my friends,
We dont need deep psychology to know what is happening here and even less of Freud or any complex theory to make sense of why they felt so hurt as to even behave so irrationally.
I realized this when I saw this video cast, the IS was mentioned but not a single word about the BP. Enough said.
http://intelligentsingaporean.wordpress.com/2007/07/17/intro-to-singapores-socio-political-blogosphere/
And I ask myself, is it really possible to log into the IS without seeing the BP? I really leave that to you.
So let us all not complicate things, because this time they are gone for good. All this is now academic, but why did darkness still do the things he did when he realized the council will eventually banish him as they have done?
I asked my brother who once played their RPG and he said that is the way of the brotherhood. They are nomadic people, so when they do something it’s not so much about them as the next person who is going to come along and walk the same path. That is why he said, Nomadic plant trees on Oasis for it to provide shade for others. The same reason why they warn travellers of dangers by writing on stones, it is never about them per se. He went on to say this is something city people will never ever understand, that is why they just know how to take, take and take.
They did it all for the next group who will come after them so that they will not have to suffer like them.
How different can they really be from us? We are all human beings and if we pain, we cry. If you cut us, we bleed the same, so when the Singapore Angle and even the Intelligent Singaporean treated them as if they didnt even once exist - what did they really expect?
The irony of it all now is of course this:
http://intelligentsingaporean.wordpress.com/2007/07/17/intro-to-singapores-socio-political-blogosphere/
Watching it all again NOW, it could be said both Bernard Leong, Kevin Lim and the Singapore Angle are indeed perfectly right, the brotherhood never existed in the Singapore blogosphere.
They were simply a figment of our imagination.
Go in peace boys and my God bless you all.
Rina
In the history of mankind, or man-unkind, there is no such a thing as perfectly or absolutely right or wrong, whether it is from the stone age to the cyberspace age. Everything is relative. Until and unless one accomplished the perfect and complete enlightenment, then it is possible to see things in absolute and perfect perspectives!
Always expect the unexpected!
If one wants peace, be prepared for war!
Rain Water.
Dear FC Boys
This is the last comment from SLF 5 / aka Wanchai line which was started personally by darkness the in July 2003 - Hong Kong / icered.com. We have been instructed to shut down by unspecified sources claiming to be simply acting “by order of the council.”
I can only assume, it has something to do with this:
“under charter 15 – I hereby move the motion that the brotherhood searches for a new site to call home.
Councilor Vollariane / Motion passed 0027 Primus time.”
Dear Brotherhood readers,
Charter 15 means the effective disbanding of the FC boys aka darkness & co - they have been effectively dismantled, all resources will be withdrawn along with the support that makes the brotherhood press possible. This means the technology ‘machine’ writing to produce these articles which we love will no longer exist.
The council has effectively pulled the plug. Don’t let the diplomatic velvet touch fool by councilor vollaraine fool you - Charter 15 is not so much a ‘home’ as it is a penal colony where they, the FC boys will be sent to the outer reaches of the universe, where presumably they can do no more harm anymore, it ’s another way of saying, “darkness we have had enough of you and your rebellious crew. You are hereby finished by order of the Council - charter 15″
Notice all, the Council didn’t even give him a chance to speak his case - he held resolutely to his right to ask the question even when they threatened him with 3 censure times to withdraw it, all of them AB, SB, Harphoon, Trajan etc. They all stood by their leader.
I saw it all in the see-cam, he never looked so defeated before.
http://intelligentsingaporean.wordpress.com/2007/07/17/intro-to-singapores-socio-political-blogosphere/
HOW WAS IT POSSIBLE TO MISS OUT THE BROTHERHOOD PRESS?
BECAUSE I CANNOT UNDERSTAND, CAN SOMEONE PLEASE EXPLAIN TO ME, PERHAPS A JOURNALIST, A BLOGGER OR EVEN A READER.
HOW IS IT POSSIBLE TO HAVE MISSED US OUT BC I AM CERTAINLY NOT EVEN GETTING A SIMPLE ANSWER FROM THE PEOPLE WHO RUN SINGAPORE ANGLE OR EVEN MR BERNARD LEONG OR KEVIN LIM.
SO CAN SOMEONE PLS EXPLAIN TO ME?
Darkness 2007
My name is David Lai.P.L, you do not know me darkness, but I first started reading the brotherhood press in December 2002 and since then my read club has grown to over 475 readers /
I am not a member of the brotherhood, but allow us all to wish you and the especially Harphoon and the rest this:
“long live the brotherhood!” - and in your words, “it has been a privilege!”
The Wanchai line SLF has been asked to cease all transmission by 0940 EMT on 25-8-07.
All our readers wish you and the boys the very best from our hearts - if it means anything at all to say this, you had every right to ask the question, at least on record, you asked and on record no answer was ever satisfactorily given - that says alot.
But I wonder sir, was it worth it? Was it really?
As for the Council, they can all go straight to we all know where along with the Singapore Angle. You had every right to ask your question.
Good luck, this is the last read club transmission from the Wanchai read club.
This is an end of an age. I feel as if a good friend I have know so very long as passed on.
Your always and God Speed
David Lai and the Wanchai SLF read club (Genuie093)
David,
thanks for the update.
I hope Inspir3d will continue his great work at intelligent singaporean. I agree with him, it was originally aimed at creating a great platform for discussing social issues, but it went into a Brotherhood press forum pages which was really distracting. I pay my deep respect to Inspir3d and all who worked hard on Intelligent Singaporean. I hope that unlike Kitana and Gayle, IS will make a comeback.
Best wishes, IS.
I can’t but feel slightly ashamed by how I pushed Bambi darkness to one corner – perhaps I even embarrassed him by giving him this ultimatum Scimitar Says:
July 30th, 2007 at 1:01 pm /
http://intelligentsingaporean.wordpress.com/2007/07/29/can-someone-tell-me-why-our-scholars-aren%e2%80%99t-as-smart-as-the-jews/#comments
Retrospectively, I was wrong and even emotion only because I believed rightly or wrongly, it was an unwarranted attack on scholars. He gave in, he didn’t have too. Why should he? They have fought larger foes before and my SLF read club only has 500 or so readers. Yet when he replied in post (25)
darkness Says:
July 30th, 2007 at 5:00 pm
Scimitar,
“No man is an island” – “You (I) need us more than we need u now!” – “I have just abt alienated everyone etc.” You know what Scimitar, you are absolutely right. From where I am standing, I am starting to look like the German 6th army in 1941 in Stalingrad. My flanks are gone along with my supply lines, the enemy has even encircled us. From this period onwards its downhill all the way - a war of attrition and under those conditions defeat is hardly theoretical. Agree.”
At first it sounded cryptic and melodramatic, that he should have described his position in such fatal terms. I didn’t think much about it at the time, but after what has happened recently, I realized he wasn’t referring to me but maybe he was just thinking aloud as he often does reminiscing about his on-going dispute with his bosses the Council. Bambi is a smart boy, he must have realized it was finished even then.
I realized he is a gentleman and maybe he was trying to tell me in not so many words, you don’t have to fight me, I am already finished. It took me a while to realize it, I wasn’t dealing with an ordinary man, but even one you had a poetic sense of right and wrong.
Don’t fret. I have always wanted to learn how to ride a bicycle if only to feel the wind in my face, will you teach me darkness? Will you come next Saturday to the place in East Coast by yourself at four, to that place where you once said to me you, “it a place where I stand at the edge of time?”
I can even check your head up for free as a trained physician even if I fall, I can mend myself. These things happen in the real world, it will probably take some time for you to adjust to it all. lol
SLF 6 Geniue 964 line will close tmr, this will be the last post from us girls so the minions say, it’s the end of an age I guess and the beginning of a new one in the real world darkness.
I am hopeful. As you always like say, “it’s a start, a very good start.”
Darkness maybe its time to step into the light?
Yours Lovingly Scimitar.
SA has lost all its credibility as far as I am concerned, by deleting what they shouldn’t have. What they did betrayed their hidden motives. Now they are no different from the MSM.
It is finally clear that Darkness was right about their intentions. I will miss the Brotherhood. God bless you boys and girl (Aurora). Thanks for having shared so generously.
And I must add, what kind of confused council was that who “banished” them?
It is so funny that the Brotherhood blames SA for their own misdeeds. If they claim that they are so almighty, they don’t need to be begging for acknowledgement and attention and spam till people have to delete their garbage off. Worse, they got a bunch of idiots who keep harping about how good the brotherhood is.
The Brotherhood is the most stupid group of idiots I see in cyberspace. They keep telling people that their history is eradicated and they are almighty. Is there a contradiction there?
We, Anti-Brotherhood last heard that YB, Mr Wang and various other bloggers also deleted Brotherhood posts as spams. It is likely that the Singapore blogosphere are fed up with the crap these idiots are spewing.
The last stupid thing these idiots keep blaming SA. Did they know that Mr Aaron Ng is also part of SA? If SA really don’t give them face, they are already deleted. So, stop whinging like a bunch of pathetic idiots.
Darkness asked the Singapore Angle a very simple question:
http://intelligentsingaporean.wordpress.com/2007/07/17/intro-to-singapores-socio-political-blogosphere/
“HOW WAS IT POSSIBLE TO MISS OUT THE BROTHERHOOD PRESS?
BECAUSE I CANNOT UNDERSTAND, CAN SOMEONE PLEASE EXPLAIN TO ME, PERHAPS A JOURNALIST, A BLOGGER OR EVEN A READER.
HOW IS IT POSSIBLE TO HAVE MISSED US OUT BC I AM CERTAINLY NOT EVEN GETTING A SIMPLE ANSWER FROM THE PEOPLE WHO RUN SINGAPORE ANGLE OR EVEN MR BERNARD LEONG OR KEVIN LIM.
SO CAN SOMEONE PLS EXPLAIN TO ME?
Darkness 2007″
And as someone so rightly framed it, “On Record,” the Singapore Angle didn’t even bother to reply him. Instead they resorted to back tracking - deleting whole chunks of the thread, including one from my read group, a lady by the name of Tracy, along with every other post that even questioned the whole premise of the issue.
Today if one activates any of the links it shows paints only one picture: darkness is represented as a deranged man and if that is not character assasination of the highest order please go ahead and sue me, because I am openly issuing you a challenge before everyone here that I am prepared to even go to court on this matter to clarify this matter. As far as I am concerned the people who run the Singapore Angle do not have one morsel of integrity and are unworthy of emulation or even mention in the MSM - they dont even met the minimum benchmark of common decency.
All the man asked was a simple question and you cannot even give him a straight answer. Paradoxically, these are also the same people who frequently expouse to the rest of us what the blogosphere should be and even frequently make it a point to represent themselves as the name and face of blogosphere in the MSM - if you aspire to that status, then may I ask a very simple question, why was so much of the discourse in the thread pertaining to the singapore blogosphere review deleted?
You will have a tough time wriggling your way out of that.
If you have an issue with that please see me in court, I have enough money to sue the pants off all of you 10 times over and this is no idle boast, please kindly take up the challenge, I will do it just for darkness and no one else 10 to 20 times over very gladly.
Aaron has my IP and if you wish to issue a writ of summons please go ahead. As I mentioned I saved the whole thread you people deleted and I can even prove it.
Remember there is a real world and there are real people who occupy it and what goes around will most definitely come around in one way or another.
Do not delude yourself most people in the Singapore Blogosphere are not asking themselves the same question that I have just presented to you!
They are. If you want to talk then walk the talk, otherwise sit down and shut up! Dont go around giving all sorts of interviews in the press, it’s demeans both you, those who conduct the interview and of course us the readers!
Anti-Brotherhood
With reference to your post above on 26 Aug 2007 at 12:43 am, where you mentioned:
“It is so funny that the Brotherhood blames SA for their own misdeeds. If they claim that they are so almighty, they don’t need to be begging for acknowledgement and attention and spam till people have to delete their garbage off. Worse, they got a bunch of idiots who keep harping about how good the brotherhood is.”
May I draw your attention to Exhibit (A) that has been deleted from:http://www.singaporeangle.com/2007/07/introduction_to_singapore_soci.html
July 22 2007 (Bernard Leong)
To all:
I have been in overseas for the past few days and please pardon me for the late reply.
Tracy and The Council of the Wise:
Thank you for your note. A few things that I want to point out:
1. First of all, I refer Kevin as a prominent video blogger and also social media researcher. As for myself, I did not recall that I call myself an expert on internet research. (we never said that you were as you mentioned “an expert on internet research”, pls refer to our post for further clarification) I think that Loy has offered you the avenues to who the authorities are, for e.g. Tan Tarn How. (Mr Loy offered the afore mentioned information on his own accord pls verify with him and imputed that we sought such clarification which if you care to peruse our post again, we neither requested or sought such information.)
2. The video is done in an ad-hoc manner. (I think this is the ratio decidendi of this entire case, this was what we sought to establish, ‘ad hoc’ so we can more or less dismiss it as the work of amateurs lacking in rigor or for that matter any value except what you Mr Leong mentioned as “fun” – I believe this is what we came here to establish and the matter is settled on that account – we see no reason to pursue this matter any further.) Kevin and I have done this out of interest and fun to educate young bloggers out there who are interested in the subject matter. I did specifically apologize that I may have missed out some bloggers in the after word. Forgetting to mention bloggers just reflects the author’s idiosyncrasies.
3. This video is neither authoritative nor comprehensive to reflect the greater diversity of the blogosphere. Otherwise, the video may be mentioned in academic journals. It may be important to note that there is no one authority in the internet, specifically the blogosphere. This is not a world where there is currently a ruling group or party. Hence I am surprised by why you take this omission so seriously.
4. Lastly, I have mentioned IS in the post. Since the Brotherhood Press is a subsidiary (subsidiary? You are seriously mistaken Mr Leong. Kindly verify with inspir3d, the webmaster of the intelligent Singaporean. He will testify to endorse this as a matter of fact i.e your assumptions are premised on erroneous facts - darkness never made such representations either impliedly or expressly to suggest the brotherhood press is a subsidiary of the IS. If you peruse our articles at the end, there is a caption which states quite clearly it is remains the solely under the purview of the brotherhood press.) under that, I don’t see why I should have made any mention at all. Perhaps the Brotherhood should consider setting your own blog (how do you define a blog Mr Leong? Are we to assume your definition of a blog is premised on a structural criterion? One which is based on the fulfillment of form rather than content and the spirit of intendment of what it is supposed to convey to the general reading public? – What you fail to register is the brotherhood press regularly produces content which is synonymous to what is typically generated by other blogs. There by stating we should set up our “own blog,” you are implying that we are not a blog, that may be true in the structural sense but it fails to recognize the broader and wider paradigm of what blog typically do, that is produce what we regularly produce i.e articles.
That line of logic is flawed as it is base and facile, besides your corseted definition of a blog assumes it to be exhaustive, that is presumptuous as it is unimaginative. On this point we disagree under the strongest possible terms. According to your logic a book ceases to be a book if it posted on line, simply because it lacks the usage of paper? How persuasive is that line of argument when one discounts the content and instead promotes the structural and form as the basis of precedence for qualification? I wonder. This is a matter which you should do well to deliberate over.) if you want anyone (who do such introductions in the future) to mention you.
This is my last word to your query and I see no need to indulge in something so trivial.
Take care & best regards,
(* That was all we wanted to establish the matter is concluded as he mentioned – “Kevin and I have done this out….fun” – I believe the council will agree this was a false alarm – there is no attempt to erase our history as such – Vollariane )
We wish you well Mr Leong and we hope we have no inconvenienced with our line of enquiries. We thank you for entertaining us and especially appreciate your candor and reasonableness.
The matter is closed.
Councilor Vollariane (Representative of the Council of the Wise)
Asdf:
Vollariane
Cerebus
Memphisto
Prometheus
(Apex: 329002 / Primus Aldentes Prime – 3773290 / Earth 22-7-07)
I have more if you wish as I said, the whole thread has been saved.
For the record, please note the italics section is a reply from the shit council of the brotherhood while the “spammer” you presumably mentioned is none other than Mr Bernard Leong himself. So forgive me, if I am somewhat confused who exactly is the spammer here? Is it the brotherhood or Mr Bernard Leong? And if this post was indeed a spam why was it deemed worthy of reply in the first instance?
So may I respectfully ask where did darkness specifically “beg for acknowledgement.” or “attention” as you suggested?
The issue pertains to a matter of accuracy that incidentally the “review” purports by specifically using the word “research” and “review” even pls refer to the video-casting .
Granted this may not suggest the content belongs to any pedigree higher than an observation , but even then it cannot claim the right not to respond to a critical review - vis-a-vis darkness question. Which till today the SA has not even responded in kind.
The question is simply this: Can any reasonable person conduct a review of even the Intelligent Singaporean and let us just leave out the broader context of the socio-political blogosphere without noticing the Brotherhood Press? Is that possible?
For the record, (this is listed in our internal reader mail /I can even forward the detailed report that runs 7 pages/ their scholars have done a thorough study of the singapore blogosphere following the matter complete with a statistical evaluation) - the brotherhood press produces 4.7 times more than the average blog / frequency runs at a median rate of 3.6 articles per week / number of words exceeds the average blog by a whopping 220% (I dont claim to know precisely what this means except to say, it’s like having a white elephant in your living room and not even noticing it!)
So with the greatest respect who really is the “almighty” here? Who is the one proclaiming “greatest.” The one who chooses not to see, hear or even consider when it’s so patently clear to all of us as to deny the truth? Or is it the BP who simply asked a simple question - and who may I ask is really “begging” the SA, the one who yearns to be understood even denying the adage; realism requires recognition - to the extent of even conducting an open policy of non-engagement and systematic deletion of material deemed to facilitate understanding of the dispute or a man who simply wants to know the truth and nothing but the truth.
Next time “anti-brotherhood” please get your facts right, I took darkness more than once to the cleaners and even humbled him enough to look down like a boy clutching to his cookie so I can do very well the same to you.
Yours Sincerely
Scimitar
Well, the brotherhood are going to spam this site 50 times with the same post. The easiest way to say this is: Mr Wang, YB and many bloggers think that the brotherhood is a bunch of pseudo brainy monkeys.
Oh before we, the anti-Brotherhood continue, we know exactly what you are going to do, to spew spam of 50 posts again…. Yes, you all will be saying, “I took darkness more than once to the cleaners and even humbled him enough to look down like a boy clutching to his cookie so I can do very well the same to you.” Then you will bootlick to the Brotherhood like it is your temple.
The Brotherhood is just one idiot making the same noise over and over again.
The monkeys of Brotherhood, let’s continue to spam this site with your spurious rubbish.
I can see how the Brotherhood are lying to themselves by begging Aaron Ng (a SA member) for asylum where they have no place to shit.
“The last stupid thing these idiots keep blaming SA. Did they know that Mr Aaron Ng is also part of SA? If SA really don’t give them face, they are already deleted. So, stop whinging like a bunch of pathetic idiots.”
Go ahead please deleted, it takes abt 30 min to register a blog and now that those space boys are on some moon rock. All of us readers from the SLF 1 to 7 will be happiest to engage the Singapore Angle on this issue.
Make our day.
Tracy
(KOHO pls keep Geniue964 open, I know you can do it - just in case this gets deleted again)
The Brotherhood is a bunch of spineless beings. It takes a minute to register a blog. The fact that they need 30 minutes to do it says how primitive and stupid they are.
SLF1 to 7 just the same monkey making the same amount of noise over and over again.
Oh yeah, continue your asylum here.. and of course, continue your shit here as well.
“Well, the brotherhood are going to spam this site 50 times with the same post. The easiest way to say this is: Mr Wang, YB and many bloggers think that the brotherhood is a bunch of pseudo brainy monkeys.
Oh before we, the anti-Brotherhood continue, we know exactly what you are going to do, to spew spam of 50 posts again…. Yes, you all will be saying, “I took darkness more than once to the cleaners and even humbled him enough to look down like a boy clutching to his cookie so I can do very well the same to you.” Then you will bootlick to the Brotherhood like it is your temple.
The Brotherhood is just one idiot making the same noise over and over again.”
Scimmy,
Yes it’s clear as day isn’t it, the intellectual capital has definitely gone South in the Singapore Blogosphere since those boys have packed off - given the lamentable quality of your line of logic “anti-brotherhood” text, tradition, precedent, and reason all fall under his broad category of ’spam’, which resembles a broken record being played in reverse producing gurgling sounds being passed off as Mozart - who darling would be the spammer, I really wonder?
Indeed you are most certainly “the new hope” which the Singapore Angle aspires to nurture and they probably consider you the likes of their cognoscenti of critical thinkers that will hopefully save us all from our impending doom.
Truth be known all the intellectuals have left the Singapore Blogosphere -it’s nothing short of an exodus - dont believe ask yourself why, its suddenly so quiet, you have no idea what an intellectual deficit and disaster this is. Neither do you have the capacity to even fathom it’s wider rammifications.
You deserve the Singapore Angle.
Majulah Singapura!
Nite nite Tracy.
PS: I want to learn and ride a bicycle as well Scimmy, pleeeeeze! I even know where the place is. I promise to be a second fiddle even on the roof, if you like….pleeeeeeze!
Bambi please go back to church!
Ladies,
I really have to comply with charter 15, I extended the SLF as long as I could, I have to shut it now, but this doesn’t prevent you from posting under your personal IP instead of the dedicated Geniue SLF account -
I have a comsat from darkness from the Sardonyx sector 002282:
“Inspir3d,
I very sorry words cannot express how I feel about this entire mater. I only learnt abt the recent communications between you and Aurora today, pls find a way to forgive me and see through her faults , she was just following orders from the council, I would have broken the new differently, you know me - without you, we would never have been able to do what we did, it is not over, things have a way of coming around my friend only let me say this if there was a success element, it had to begin with you and you saw it through the best you. No regrets my friend, we had a good run and it’s something to look back and be proud about, so hold your head high, you did it righter than right. I am so sorry, I let you down.
Your friend and brother in arms always
Darkness and god speed.
P.S: do not be surprise if you find us all over the place in the real world, they all know about you - we call you the ‘key maker’, doors will open, men will appear will strange handsakes along with a thousand things that only we the brotherhood know of - we are nomadic people and we never ever forget those who once stood with us. Never! Our waters are mixed - there will be a day, when you will see our hand in even your destiny.
Till we met again, God speed and again, I am so sorry, pls find a way to forgive me for all my transgression. You have been the best webmaster we have ever worked with.
On the behalf of the FC boys, it has been a privilege - harphoons conveys his warmest regards.
What can I say Charter 15 is like the ISA, there is no running away from it. Meanwhile let us dream of faraway worlds to explore.
Darkness always.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FEKIJZzdZg&search=final%20fantasy
Scimitar,
Do I have a choice? U have a way of making me feel small, perhaps that is good. See you there, I will bring a spare bike along - I am hopeful to start my new life. You are right, it’s a start a very good start and I am hopeful.
Only let it all go to wind, there is a time to let things happen and a time to make it happen, this is the former.
Listen to me, this chapter is over, let is close, let is sleep tmr will bring with it a new day.
Yours
Darkness 2007
KOHO SLF Genu=iue 964 is hereby de-activated.
Long live the brotherhood!
Scimitar,
Its good to hear from you. If you love him, keep him. I have always said that he is a good man, a very good man.
You two make a very good pair. I can feel it. Seek him and make him happy. You too will be happy. I don’t know why, but I just feel it very strongly deep down inside my heart.
If I have the opportunity to meet him, I would also help him in whatever way I can. There are very few men like him in this world. I think you can also sense it. Use your feelings and senses, not your brain. Is a good start. The beginning of a new era.
Remember what I said to you in the Intelligent Singaporean?
In faith and in trust, I remain yours always:
AS IT IS!
“The easiest way to say this is: Mr Wang, YB and many bloggers think that the brotherhood is a bunch of pseudo brainy monkeys. ”
Bfr I leave ‘anti-brotherhood’ show me your many bloggers, as for YB, we never had an issue with him, I am the controller, I know every single transaction, we never even once posted on his site, you can go verify this with him yourself, if you do not believe me.
As for Mr Wang, we do not dispute the case, he makes it an point to openly hate us to the point of using his site as a base for brotherhood haters - the world is round, it will come around in the real world.
But “anti-brotherhood” pls show us your registered “many bloggers” who claim to hate us so much which forms the 99% of your argument la. Pls produce their sites here.
You will not find one, bc though many may not understand us, they still respect us in the spirit of competition.
Truth of the matter as Scimitar & Gang said,
“Do not delude yourself most people in the Singapore Blogosphere are not asking themselves the same question that I have just presented to you!
They are.”
That remains the truth, darkness asked a valid question that resulted in the brotherhood press being shut down only because he maintained the right to ask it even when he was asked not to ask it, let me tell you this, 99.9% of the people in the brotherhood do not agree with the council, they all cannot be wrong, we are after all the same human beings here as over there, they be so different even in blogosphere.
SA has losted alot of its credibility with not only netizens, press but also academics who have all been observing these developments. Dont believe me try to find one reporter who will quote them, I challenge you, we in the brotherhood have our ways of making things happen, go ahead do it.
Produce these so called “many bloggers” make sure they are registered I will shut up then - in truth you cannot and it doesn’t half matter whether Aaron is or is not a SA team member - this is a matter that goes deep down into the roots of what makes us all human. We all cannot run away from the truth - that was darkness point.
The question still stands on record.
I am KOHO signing off, but I hope to see your so called many and an endorsement from Yawning bread soon, pls produce it here before 1300 hr tmr, otherwise its like BL said all for fun and on an ad hoc basis la
KOHO signing off from the Singapore Blogosphere - Tq Aaron
I am an IS fan. Anyway, Aaron, Brotherhood just lied. Again. Did you see koho’s post?
You really think that was their last word? I think Koho left a few last words to that last word, hahaha! The council of the wise should consel him again. This is going to be a long drawn joke - as long as this comment page survive.
Anyway, do you know how many reporters quoted from BHpress? Zero, zilch, kosong.
Anyway, they really disrespected YB by telling him how to put the horse before the cart. Oh, Brotherhood is so smart they can even teach grandfathers how to suck eggs.
Anyway, long live brotherhood, I mean Siblinghood, with Aurora in their midst. (you need to consider rebranding exercise).
This was from Dodo II - before brotherhood went the way of the Dodo (I really wish)
“And this leads us right back to the imperative; tagging on the gay issue – what is the best way to solicit real and meaningful change? Firstly the tool needs to engage the mind and this is where even modern day progressives such as Alex Au (the supremo gay rights activist) has inadvertently placed the proverbial cart before the horse. ”
Brotherhood so smart right!
I wonder if what Censored indicated above was true :
Harphoon Says:
May 6th, 2007 at 12:45 am
could u pls delete 19 or censor it or something. I dunno. I have a feeling some of it came out bfr it went through his brain, if u ask me. I dont really dont want to get another round from those girls. cannot tahan already. harphoon
If so, Under ordinance 173 – I propose the brotherhood lodges the strongest protest against BROTHERHOOD ITSELF FOR CENSORING COMMENTS and strongly recommend that they reinstate the original post – under charter 15 –
If you chaps cannot reinstate those comments, then be like a tree and leaf.
anyway, Darkness will come back lah. He already need to come to Aaron’s site, SA contributor - to sell his latest e-novel - quite interesting character, coming here to sell things like snake oil, insurance and the likes…..leh long leh long - 50 imperiums. So cute. Just like when they went to Mr wang site to ’sell’ their great debate series… Please visit us, come, please, put us on SA please.
No shame.
What great debate series? The fools in Brotherhood don’t know how to argue properly, only to know how to chain some Latour, Derrida and crap and talk big. Just a bunch of stupid fools wanking in front of their computers seeking attention.
Can someone in the Brotherhood answer this simple question:
IF YOU ARE SO POWERFUL AND ALMIGHTY, WHY DON”T YOU GO TO MSM AND GET YOURSELF NOTICED THAN RESORT TO ASK BLOGGERS TO ACKNOWLEDGE WHERE THEY HAVE THE RIGHT NOT TO?
Oh yeah, if you cannot answer, we will continue asking you this question.
Yes, continue to shit here, Brotherhood. Seeking asylum from a SA resident contributor. What hypocrites you are, biting the hand that feeds you.
AS IT IS,
I hopeful darkness will step out into the light. Scimmy is just right for him. He needs someone like her, she will not take his nonsense and if he tries to run circles around her, she will just tag him and brand him with a poker. Darkness needs a strong woman beside him. I am hopeful and I agree, this is a start and a very good start.
BTW 50 imperiums is alot of dosh- one of those novels go for$30, its tax free and unlike real books where u have to split it with so many ppl, it like I said alot of dosh @ 30,000 readers
Good luck Bambi
Yes ladies, she will definitely knock some sense into him! I happy for them both, this may turn out even better than……..Bambi I haver read the book, it’s brilliant. Love and Best Wishes.
As for the SA, what can I say c’est la vie
Love
Do deal with this first. However, I doubt success will come easily
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# scimitaron 26 Aug 2007 at 2:01 am
Anti-Brotherhood
With reference to your post above on 26 Aug 2007 at 12:43 am, where you mentioned:
“It is so funny that the Brotherhood blames SA for their own misdeeds. If they claim that they are so almighty, they don’t need to be begging for acknowledgement and attention and spam till people have to delete their garbage off. Worse, they got a bunch of idiots who keep harping about how good the brotherhood is.”
May I draw your attention to Exhibit (A) that has been deleted from:http://www.singaporeangle.com/2007/07/introduction_to_singapore_soci.html
July 22 2007 (Bernard Leong)
To all:
I have been in overseas for the past few days and please pardon me for the late reply.
Tracy and The Council of the Wise:
Thank you for your note. A few things that I want to point out:
1. First of all, I refer Kevin as a prominent video blogger and also social media researcher. As for myself, I did not recall that I call myself an expert on internet research. (we never said that you were as you mentioned “an expert on internet research”, pls refer to our post for further clarification) I think that Loy has offered you the avenues to who the authorities are, for e.g. Tan Tarn How. (Mr Loy offered the afore mentioned information on his own accord pls verify with him and imputed that we sought such clarification which if you care to peruse our post again, we neither requested or sought such information.)
2. The video is done in an ad-hoc manner. (I think this is the ratio decidendi of this entire case, this was what we sought to establish, ‘ad hoc’ so we can more or less dismiss it as the work of amateurs lacking in rigor or for that matter any value except what you Mr Leong mentioned as “fun” – I believe this is what we came here to establish and the matter is settled on that account – we see no reason to pursue this matter any further.) Kevin and I have done this out of interest and fun to educate young bloggers out there who are interested in the subject matter. I did specifically apologize that I may have missed out some bloggers in the after word. Forgetting to mention bloggers just reflects the author’s idiosyncrasies.
3. This video is neither authoritative nor comprehensive to reflect the greater diversity of the blogosphere. Otherwise, the video may be mentioned in academic journals. It may be important to note that there is no one authority in the internet, specifically the blogosphere. This is not a world where there is currently a ruling group or party. Hence I am surprised by why you take this omission so seriously.
4. Lastly, I have mentioned IS in the post. Since the Brotherhood Press is a subsidiary (subsidiary? You are seriously mistaken Mr Leong. Kindly verify with inspir3d, the webmaster of the intelligent Singaporean. He will testify to endorse this as a matter of fact i.e your assumptions are premised on erroneous facts - darkness never made such representations either impliedly or expressly to suggest the brotherhood press is a subsidiary of the IS. If you peruse our articles at the end, there is a caption which states quite clearly it is remains the solely under the purview of the brotherhood press.) under that, I don’t see why I should have made any mention at all. Perhaps the Brotherhood should consider setting your own blog (how do you define a blog Mr Leong? Are we to assume your definition of a blog is premised on a structural criterion? One which is based on the fulfillment of form rather than content and the spirit of intendment of what it is supposed to convey to the general reading public? – What you fail to register is the brotherhood press regularly produces content which is synonymous to what is typically generated by other blogs. There by stating we should set up our “own blog,” you are implying that we are not a blog, that may be true in the structural sense but it fails to recognize the broader and wider paradigm of what blog typically do, that is produce what we regularly produce i.e articles.
That line of logic is flawed as it is base and facile, besides your corseted definition of a blog assumes it to be exhaustive, that is presumptuous as it is unimaginative. On this point we disagree under the strongest possible terms. According to your logic a book ceases to be a book if it posted on line, simply because it lacks the usage of paper? How persuasive is that line of argument when one discounts the content and instead promotes the structural and form as the basis of precedence for qualification? I wonder. This is a matter which you should do well to deliberate over.) if you want anyone (who do such introductions in the future) to mention you.
This is my last word to your query and I see no need to indulge in something so trivial.
Take care & best regards,
(* That was all we wanted to establish the matter is concluded as he mentioned – “Kevin and I have done this out….fun” – I believe the council will agree this was a false alarm – there is no attempt to erase our history as such – Vollariane )
We wish you well Mr Leong and we hope we have no inconvenienced with our line of enquiries. We thank you for entertaining us and especially appreciate your candor and reasonableness.
The matter is closed.
Councilor Vollariane (Representative of the Council of the Wise)
Asdf:
Vollariane
Cerebus
Memphisto
Prometheus
(Apex: 329002 / Primus Aldentes Prime – 3773290 / Earth 22-7-07)
I have more if you wish as I said, the whole thread has been saved.
For the record, please note the italics section is a reply from the shit council of the brotherhood while the “spammer” you presumably mentioned is none other than Mr Bernard Leong himself. So forgive me, if I am somewhat confused who exactly is the spammer here? Is it the brotherhood or Mr Bernard Leong? And if this post was indeed a spam why was it deemed worthy of reply in the first instance?
So may I respectfully ask where did darkness specifically “beg for acknowledgement.” or “attention” as you suggested?
The issue pertains to a matter of accuracy that incidentally the “review” purports by specifically using the word “research” and “review” even pls refer to the video-casting .
Granted this may not suggest the content belongs to any pedigree higher than an observation , but even then it cannot claim the right not to respond to a critical review - vis-a-vis darkness question. Which till today the SA has not even responded in kind.
The question is simply this: Can any reasonable person conduct a review of even the Intelligent Singaporean and let us just leave out the broader context of the socio-political blogosphere without noticing the Brotherhood Press? Is that possible?
For the record, (this is listed in our internal reader mail /I can even forward the detailed report that runs 7 pages/ their scholars have done a thorough study of the singapore blogosphere following the matter complete with a statistical evaluation) - the brotherhood press produces 4.7 times more than the average blog / frequency runs at a median rate of 3.6 articles per week / number of words exceeds the average blog by a whopping 220% (I dont claim to know precisely what this means except to say, it’s like having a white elephant in your living room and not even noticing it!)
So with the greatest respect who really is the “almighty” here? Who is the one proclaiming “greatest.” The one who chooses not to see, hear or even consider when it’s so patently clear to all of us as to deny the truth? Or is it the BP who simply asked a simple question - and who may I ask is really “begging” the SA, the one who yearns to be understood even denying the adage; realism requires recognition - to the extent of even conducting an open policy of non-engagement and systematic deletion of material deemed to facilitate understanding of the dispute or a man who simply wants to know the truth and nothing but the truth.
Next time “anti-brotherhood” please get your facts right, I took darkness more than once to the cleaners and even humbled him enough to look down like a boy clutching to his cookie so I can do very well the same to you.
Yours Sincerely
Scimitar
Can someone in the Brotherhood answer this simple question:
IF YOU ARE SO POWERFUL AND ALMIGHTY, WHY DON”T YOU GO TO MSM AND GET YOURSELF NOTICED THAN RESORT TO ASK BLOGGERS TO ACKNOWLEDGE WHERE THEY HAVE THE RIGHT NOT TO?
The Brotherhood wants acknowledgement and many bloggers are not giving them because they are stupid. Is it that difficult to understand?
Scimmy Sis,
Good on you!
The gist.
Darkness asked a simple question. Does he have a right?
Absolutely.
On record the SA responded by deleting a substantial part of the thread and till today, they haven’t even given him an answer to his question.
Let’s get real, we all know, people don’t shred documents or burn books for no apparent reason! They said, they did it because it was ’spam” - but really I dont think so, they did it for a deliberate purpose so that anyone who enters those links will form the impression darkness is a crazy man who is shouting at a blank wall. In effect, the SA is using the same dirty tactics that features so regularly in the political arena that one party frequently deploys i.e character assasination by subtle implication.
How imaginative?
When that strategy failed, they said it was all ’spam.’ Hence they have a right to delete - Scimmy took them all round the block by the ears by proving otherwise, it certainly wasn’t spam! When she posted part of the missing thread Sumiko kindly reposted on 26 Aug 2007 at 12:26 pm. Raises more question than answers? Doesn’t it? How interesting?
When that failed, they have now resorted to name calling etc labelling us brotherhood fans etc or people suffering from mass hypnosis or even cultist - whatever their motivation one thing is so very clear from all this:
THEY ARE DEPLOYING EVERY STRATEGY NOT TO ANSWER THE QUESTION DARKNESS PRESENTED TO THE SA!
But many netizens such as myself are still asking:
(1) Why does the SA need to resort to deleting material which Scimitar has proven beyond reasonable doubt isn’t spam, but instead facilitates a clear understanding of the issue at hand? Why? If it is indeed spam by all means delete it. But as Scimmy has clearly shown it cannot be spam when the respondent was none other than Bernard Leong himself! What else was deleted? But why? What were they trying to accomplish? Yes alot I suspected that is designed for one objective to depict the brotherhood as a group of irrational people.
(2) Bambi Darkness asked a simple question, there is no need for me to keep on repeating it, it’s all over the place by now. The hole in the head Council axed him. The threatened him - again he said, I have the right to ask. They axed him. He said again, I have a right to ask the question - then when that failed they crucified him by taking away all the things he lovingly built to create the writing machine - I mean everything SLF etc.
(3) As for Bambi’s stories let us all be so clear so that we do not delude ourselves on this issue, no one can force another to vote with their wallets. He writes terribly well and in rough terms for just hacking away he earns roughly twice as much as a minister - I say good for him! And it’s all tax free with no publishing and retail friction cost.
(4) Do not thing netizens are stupid. You have absolutely no idea how many people read the BP. Neither do you realize, these readers are perhaps the most influential and highest earners in the land. May I remind the SA of this reality.
I do wish him luck with Scimmy, I have always believed, he was just wasting a large part of his life in the virtual. Scimmy will not take his famous sulks, she will put him on the right track and he will listen to her. Scimmy is a presidential scholar and she’s a fine girl, true to true a kindred spirit who will heal darkness as he is sadly a wounded animal who must always run to the woods to hide and lick his wounds.
so good on you Scimmy and go for it.
I dont feel sad this age was ended. I know it can only get better from here onwards.
Darkness has finally come back home.
Just to add as far as the Singapore Angle is concerned they are finished, not only in terms of credibility, but as someone here so clearly illustrated they are really no better than the MSM and when push really comes to shove, out rolls the dirty tricks dept.
Please do us all a favor Singapore Angle, stick to your patch of earth, don’t ever attempt to represent yourself as the name and face of Singapore Blogosphere or even hold yourself out as a know it all commentator any more, its will be really embarassing if you appear in the media after this incident, you know why? You didn’t even give the man a fair chance at a fair fight all he did was ask a very simple question:
http://intelligentsingaporean.wordpress.com/2007/07/17/intro-to-singapores-socio-political-blogosphere/
“HOW WAS IT POSSIBLE TO MISS OUT THE BROTHERHOOD PRESS?
BECAUSE I CANNOT UNDERSTAND, CAN SOMEONE PLEASE EXPLAIN TO ME, PERHAPS A JOURNALIST, A BLOGGER OR EVEN A READER.
HOW IS IT POSSIBLE TO HAVE MISSED US OUT BC I AM CERTAINLY NOT EVEN GETTING A SIMPLE ANSWER FROM THE PEOPLE WHO RUN SINGAPORE ANGLE OR EVEN MR BERNARD LEONG OR KEVIN LIM.
SO CAN SOMEONE PLS EXPLAIN TO ME?
Darkness 2007?
And you cannot even give him a simple answer, so what credibility may I ask do you have to talk about bigger things, when even the small trips you.
Darkness was a good man and we will always protect him. Always.
I am sorry I posted so many times Aaron, pls delete accordingly
Aaron, are you with the Singapore Angle? Why are you accepting all this shit from the brotherhood posts? I am not sure who is the bigger idiot - you, Singapore Angle or Brotherhood fans? I think you should stop this comment thread. It is quite tiresome - unless you want to hit 600 comments like the PY thread
Your fan (who is amazed how far you will go with the brotherhood, altho they did send you a wonderful wedding / engagement video!
Dear Tiva,
Noted. I’ve removed your multiple entries.
Dear Aaron fan,
Yes, I am with Singapore Angle. It might appear odd that I’m allowing the BH people to post so many comments targeting SA, in particular a fellow colleague of mine at SA whom I’m on very good terms with.
However, I don’t think that I should be playing judge on who’s right or who’s wrong. That’s not up to me to decide. If the BH and their fans want to continue, in your words, their “shit”, by all means, go ahead. This blog has a non-censoring principle which I would like to adhere to as much as humanly possible, so I try not to remove comments, unless specifically requested by the author of the comments.
If you want to know what I think about this whole affair, I would just say that knowing when to stop is important. Even if one is truly victimised, the victim will lose support of the majority if he/she doesn’t know when to stop playing that role. Too much of something is never good. I believe that the BH and their fans are not juveniles, so I’m hoping that they will know when to stop. They can continue on for all I care, but whether it will be worth it is something that’s up to them to decide.
“If you want to know what I think about this whole affair, I would just say that knowing when to stop is important. Even if one is truly victimised, the victim will lose support of the majority if he/she doesn’t know when to stop playing that role.”
Do you know what you are saying Aaron? That means all of us should know when to stop harping about how the government is running the country, how activists have been unfairly treated, how joggers should have been left alone, etc. Because us victims would lose the potential support of the 66.6% or the government would eventually turn a deaf ear.
Whether you think people who speak up for the Brotherhood are idiots full of shit or juveniles or fans (since when has this become a show business?), it doesn’t bother me a single bit. But victims should be allowed to air their grievances or you and I and all the rest had better know when to stop talking about how our rights have been taken away from us and how certain groups have been unfairly treated or victimised.
Otherwise, it’s just another case of double standards. It is you who will lose the support. And yes, I do agree that the SA should not speak on behalf of all the rest of the online community. Certain groups perhaps, but not all of us.
shoestring,
I don’t think it’s wrong to say to know when to stop, even in the cases you raised, how the government is run, how activists have been unfairly treated, how joggers should be left alone etc. Perhaps in these scenarios, the answer to knowing when to stop could be never. I never precluded that option, did I? Further, I never said people don’t have the right to air their grievances. How long they want to air their grievances is no business of mine. All I’m trying to say is that too much of something in general isn’t a good idea, although I never ruled out the possibility of exceptions, did I?
“Inspir3d,
I very sorry words cannot express how I feel about this entire mater. I only learnt abt the recent communications between you and Aurora today, pls find a way to forgive me and see through her faults , she was just following orders from the council,”
Darkness, indeed you have a way with words.
How can I do anything but accept an apology so eloquently written?
The chapter is closed, inspir3d is now dead. Perhaps we should go mountain biking some time.
Dear Aaron,
It is very kind and generous of you to permit the Brotherhood and their fans and regular readers to air their views and frustrations. I can see that you are a very amiable, patient and understanding gentleman who exercises fairness at all times.
I thank you and salute you for your unmatchable gestures, if I may also, on behalf of all those who may have caused some unnecessary infractions, improprieties or irritations to you, your friends and your readers.
Please accept our apologies and may your future be bright and your marriage be endowed with bliss and happiness forever and ever.
I remain yours always in faith and in trust:
AS IT IS!
“Otherwise, it’s just another case of double standards. It is you who will lose the support. And yes, I do agree that the SA should not speak on behalf of all the rest of the online community. Certain groups perhaps, but not all of us.”
After reading all this. I realize it is true, the SA did delete significant sections of the discourse in the thread. I do not want to speculate why, but I have read some of the deleted material, they are neither malicious or spurious. On the contrary, their line of logic appears to be reasonable. I cannot but ask why?
The SA has lost alot of credibility in the eyes of most netizens and on how they have managed this whole issue and I do agree with the above comment of the reader.
SA pls don’t speak on our behalf anymore, I do not either share your values or even beliefs and just in case you mistake me for a brotherhood supporter, I am not.
I am just a man who once blogged, closed down his blog and open it again and closed it again and now I read from time to time.
I would like to thank the person who ran the intelligent Singaporean. I feel personally, he is the most under represented person here who made it all happen.
Thanks.
I am very glad the person who ran the Intelligent Singaporean has decided to keep his blog despite ceasing all activites.
I believe in the future, many of the articles written there not only by the BP but also other contributors will continue to serve to inspire and motivate a new generation of writers.
Thank you, this is my last post in the internet. Farewell all. And Good luck wherever you are Darkness, feel free to come back, there will never be a shortage of landing sites for the brotherhood in the Singapore blogosphere.
Many Thanks again.
Aaron,
On the surface and consciously you may not have. But unconsciously and implicitly, from my point of view, you have. There is no point showing hospitality to someone in need just to indirectly tell him not to stay so long. It might not be your intention but the tone of your words implied otherwise. In essence, you are doing the act but not believing in the spirit of that act.
I am not saying this out of ill-will. I have spoken because I see the socio-political blogosphere degenerating into another version of real world politics. I might be wrong, but I view this disdain towards the Brotherhood as something due to their popularity and ideas and how it affects/ distracts from your (group) goals. I can almost guess who is in this group. It quite obvious.
Apologies if I am wrong. But what started out as a potential vehicle to bring change is becoming another version of the MSM.
Do think about it.
shoestring,
I cannot stop you from thinking what you want to think. I most certainly do not think that you can infer from the “tone” because this is a medium that’s void of visual and aural cues. I respect your opinion and I leave you to decide what views you have on the matter. I believe I have explained my stand very clearly and if you insist on reading further (implicit inferences which I have made clear is not true), so be it.
Aaron,
This is not a dispute between the netizens and the govt of Singapore. It is one that has attracted tremendous attention and gripped almost all in the net because it relates to how netizens propose to resolve disputes amongst themselves. If we cannot even solve problems amongst ourselves how do we aspire to inspire change?
Darkness asked a question. Does he have the right to do so? SA did not respond and instead deleted large sections of the thread relating to the dispute. Do they have a right to do so? How long should darkness pursue this matter bfr public opinion turns against him 7 or 14 or maybe 30 days. Does his right to ask a question relate to the issue of time? If 10 people say darkness it is time to stop and one remains silent, does he still have the right to ask his question? If the SA keeps proclaiming they are the benchmark of rational discourse - do they have a right not to respond to darkness questions? If they well they do, they tell us all why?
You see Aaron, what is clear to me is this, it has finally happened what darkness himself predicted once upon a time, it is written somewhere in a thread in either the IS or icered.com, I cannot remember.
“What if I say this to you Agnes………one day, the same problems govt’s struggle with endlessly with citizens in the real world, will be exactly reproduced in the the virtual community. Do you believe me? Does that sound implausible Agnes?
When that days comes, do not delude yourself we will see the world more clearly than them. Or we may even be more enlightened to have such a thing as a moral high ground.
That is the great lie the net must perpetuate! If it is t o have any credo, locus and ratio, nes pas?
Do not be surprise, if you even see all the SAME thinking, values and ethos of the govt of the day here…….do not be surprise if it the SAME rhetoric being spouted here…….that it is even the SAME justifications and excuses……or even the SAME principles expoused to give or that reason………that was why we (the brotherhood) had to fight two of the biggest wars in the virtual, the Ascension and Pillium war…………it was not a matter of choice…………. I realized this Agnes when I stood on a mount and silently watched how an invading army had burnt our loving cities to a cinderbelt and all my men were crying like babies……every single one of them……..that was when I realized just as in the real world even the virtual, man is cursed never to learn from history and so he has no choice but to make the same mistakes again and again - in both the real and virtual world, we call the net”
darkness 2003
http://onthereddot.com/ian/2007/08/27/from-harphoon-to-my-friend-inspirid/
I think its from them!
Message to all Brotherhood supporters.
Can you read English. I found this on SA site.
Notice: Each writer on Singapore Angle is in control over the comment threads associated with his own posts, to edit or delete individual comments, or to close the thread as he pleases.
I am quite surprised that those idiots are still going on about Singapore Angle this, Singapore Angle that, and hey -
Am I the only one who caught this?
“Am I the only one who caught this?” You caught a boot on your line - do you want me to tell you as well, when it was conveniently inserted by the SA team?
I have a mirror copy too
I can read English very well tq very much, but remember pls don’t insult my intelligence - again I am asking you a very simple question: when was this caption inserted into the website?
Be very careful when you answer
Dear readers,
# Aaron Ng wrote this on 26 Aug 2007 at 11:49 pm
“If you want to know what I think about this whole affair, I would just say that knowing when to stop is important. Even if one is truly victimised, the victim will lose support of the majority if he/she doesn’t know when to stop playing that role. Too much of something is never good. I believe that the BH and their fans are not juveniles, so I’m hoping that they will know when to stop. They can continue on for all I care, but whether it will be worth it is something that’s up to them to decide.”
Aaron,
This is my reply to you.
The issue here is not how long it should continue. Even the best of us will agree, how long is a relative term – as it means very different things to different people. If I put chains on you Aaron for 30 days, would it be appropriate for me to expect you to shut up and accept your fate as a slave by the 31st day? So what you are effectively saying if your neighbors and friends grow tire of your whining by the 40th day – you should simply accept your fate? Is this what you define as rational discourse?
Since when was time ever a decider of rights? If what you advocate is true, it would be still valid to still post signs like no dogs and Chinese in parks in Shanghai and all homosexuals should be packed off to concentration camps – I believe you place too much emphasis on the popularity factor and fail to recognize this is exclusively a matter of principle. If what you say is true then the majority must win, but if that is the case why then did the constitutionalist see fit to preserve specific rights like the freedom to religion, speech along with the right to vote which cannot be even overruled by the forces of the majority? –because there are seen as fundamental principles to be preserved even against the forces of the majority.
That is how rational people make sense of the world - the issue here is whether the brotherhood had a valid case to ask the question? The issue here is whether darkness had a right to ask the question which even their own Council believed he did not, because according to them, it has been settled, but to me as an observer, the Council was just engaging in one giant wayang show – that was why darkness continued to insist on his right to ask the question even when he was threatened on three separate occasions by the council and on the fourth occasion they even invoked charter 15 which is the equivalent of their ISA. Yet he and the others including the char bor Aurora continued to insist he had a right to ask the question.
You don’t have to be a political scientist or even someone with a Phd to know what is happening here – you don’t even need to have a degree to understand what is happening here – neither do you need to be someone who even has one page of knowledge in political science to understand the issue – it is simply this how far are you prepared to go for your beliefs in principles?
What pains me no end about this issue is this – this is not a matter of citizen against state this time i.e MICA vs Mr Brown – it is a matter of netizens resolving their disputes with other netizens BH vs SA – the SA claims time and again to subscribe to rational discourse, a question was asked - how did the SA respond? By gutting out large chunks of the discourse in their thread which they conveniently term as ‘spam’ – what saddens me is this, no one really knows what charter 15 means outside the brotherhood, fyi it is nothing short of banishment i.e they consider him a threat to their economic interest and security. It means everything darkness has worked so hard along with his crew to create their machine writing will be systematically dismantled and eradicated forever – yet despite this, darkness and the every single one of them considered it worthwhile. This must surely be either madness or martyrdom or maybe we will never even know why.
It’s finished. I wanted to let the matter just die down bc it is finished after all an end of an age!Over, but you ppl as I can see are still taking pot shots at Bambi. btw they cant kill this SLF it belongs to ‘the lady of the lake’ the riches benefactor of the b’hood.
Dr Lee
PS: I am inspired by the gumption of AS IT IS and I too will be starting a blog to further this discussion.
Aaron,
I will gladly take your word for it, that there is no hidden agenda on your part. As for SA, honestly, it’ll be difficult. Not that they want or need to convince me.
But what TT, Darkness (predicted) and Dr Lee said were my exact sentiments. It is very sad to be fighting against each other instead of working together to effect change.
I am impressed that Bernard came up with that vodcast, showed his face and could be counted upon. And he had the guts to indicate - that the decision to delete comments were his alone, not SA. That really takes Guts, something that is lacking in many gutless and faceless creatures. Me included.
I would like to show my appreciation to Inspir3d for IS, and also to SA writers for sharing their views and articles. Let us continue to work together to effect change.
Thanks to PM Lee, I have been reading the obituaries page on a daily basis, noting the age of those departing. Mr Brown was right : The house always wins!
“that the decision to delete comments were his alone, not SA. That really takes Guts, something that is lacking in many gutless and faceless creatures. Me included. ”
again I am asking you a very simple question: when was this caption inserted into the website?Was it AFtER so much was deleted of BEFORE?
Or do you want me to tell you the specifics? Date, Time etc U used idiot which I take exception and inaddition you mentioned that we do not know how to read.
So again I present question -
“I am impressed that Bernard came up with that vodcast, showed his face and could be counted upon. And he had the guts to indicate - that the decision to delete comments were his alone, not SA.”
I really do not believe you have an idea what is the typical vocational profile of a brotherhood reader - I happen to be a counsel who deals in a very specific area of conflict management. FYI what he has done by i.e to delete comment and to represent that he had the right to do so is nothing short of an attempt to violate the right concerning reasonable notification.
I am sorry, I disagree. I do not see any guts here except chicken entrails. All I see is a man who (BL) is prepared to do anything to win his case even if it means contorting and perverting the truth at the expense of representing Bambi as a deranged man.
Bambi’s 2003 prediction to Agnes was spot on - man will never learn from his mistakes.
linebacker2
Wah seh -
you still reading Singapore Angle! Perusing everyline and date!
It is a good sign. No wonder Aaron joined them
Anyway, I sincerely apologise for saying you do not know how to read. I am out of order. Peace out.
Dear Sir & Readers,
I have taken the liberty of speaking directly to the richest read club of the b’hood press run by the lady of the lake.
Who incidentally was bambi bad boys original benefactor, this is really the stuff of B movies. Many years ago when Bambi first started,he was retrenched as an engineer, poor and probably just just hacking away in a rented room surviving on instant noodles and cornflakes.
But his love novels were appealing in a sappy toe curling sort of way lah and it did have quite a following.
One day, when Bambi lamented, he may have to stop because he had to work as a shift supervisor. According to his employers, he was over qualified! This was during the recession.
He received an anon sum of money from a secret admirer, a certain mysterious benefactor who went by the moniker of the lady of the lake, a Thai Chinese tycoon’s daughter who provisioned him quite nicely cars nice clothes etc with simply the words,
“write for me.”
This was long even before the brotherhood started in late 2001 when the brotherhood didn’t even exist - when Bambi first wrote the confessions of the Singaporean Gangster.
Since then the original provision was managed by Couts in the UK and through the years it grew into a considerable investment when the brotherhood started. I believe every $1 invested became $8,400 odd in real terms value, higher than even Boeing shares and although most of it is e-currency, its still money - today the lady of the lake is the largest equity investor in the b’hood, she has the largest portfolio of stocks and even a dedicated row referred too as the “yellow row” to signify her status as royalty and is the only woman to sit in the great hall! This is no mean feat OK, as women as strictly not allowed, but again money has a way doesn’t it of seeking compromises.
I have spoken personally to her for nearly 3 hours over the phone and she is indeed livid! She will be visiting Singapore soon for her regular shopping trip and I have arranged for Bambi to chaperone her around.
He is most persuasive as he tags along carrying all her bags and nick nacks. Yes, he can be such a delightful toy poodle, you have no idea, pulling chairs out, opening doors, rushing here and there that just adds up to make a lady feel like a billion dollars.
If you dont believe please go and ask Inspir3d, the administrator of the IS, he is truly a smoothie when it comes to the art of persuasion and I will not even be surprise if we shall even see a sudden and unexpected retraction from the council of the hole in the head very soon.
Money does certainly make the world go round doesn’t it? Money can also change the hardest minds and cut a path through the hardest stones.
I am sorry Scimitar - it’s time to castle, if only to check the mate to edge you out -besides its an open secret, I have never liked you bitch!
Do excuse me if I do not wish to get involved in this little tiff about SA -BL-BH- or whatever. I am dont have the slightest interest in tic-tack-toe board games, only big plays interest me.
A very persuasive brotherhood fan
Best Regards
“Aaron,
I will gladly take your word for it, that there is no hidden agenda on your part. As for SA, honestly, it’ll be difficult. Not that they want or need to convince me.
But what TT, Darkness (predicted) and Dr Lee said were my exact sentiments. It is very sad to be fighting against each other instead of working together to effect change.”
How very true Sir a most astute observation if I may say so.
I do however have a whiff of suspicion from now onwards not even the MSM will wish to associate themselves with the SA any longer.
I don’t mean to sound malicious only the Singapore Angle has lost a tremendous amount of credibility in the eyes of most netizens and journalist are not a stupid lot, they do know the value of quality attribution, they must only because their editors will insist upon it!
As it is the credibility of the Singapore Angle team stands at zero. They are as good as finished. Please do not refer to this as spam, as someone here rightly pointed out, brotherhood readers are not your run of the mill Bimbo showcase variety. You asked for rational discourse and we all gave it to you.
Dear Sir / Madam
We have taken the trouble to address each an every allegation presented here:
May I summarise:
(1) Was What deleted “Spam?” as according to “anti brotherhood?”
Answer: see above # Scimitar on 26 Aug 2007 at 2:01 am reply to “Anti-Brotherhood.”
(2) Does Bambi darkness boy have a right to ask AS why the brotherhood press was not mentioned in the Singapore review by Bernard Leong, Kevin Lim and endorsed by the Singapore Angle panel?
Answer: see linebacker on 27 Aug 2007 at 10:23 pm
(3) Is the Singapore Angle responsible for deleting material that contributes to an understanding of the discourse? Was this effectively communicated to darkness & co?
Answer: see # linebacker2 reply on 28 Aug 2007 at 9:41 am / this was in respond to an allegation made by Aaron fan on 27 Aug 2007 at 9:44 pm
“Message to all Brotherhood supporters.
Can you read English. I found this on SA site.
Notice: Each writer on Singapore Angle is in control over the comment threads associated with his own posts, to edit or delete individual comments, or to close the thread as he pleases.
I am quite surprised that those idiots are still going on about Singapore Angle this, Singapore Angle that, and hey -
Am I the only one who caught this?”
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Summary: Every single allegation the SA has presented has been dealt with.
May I ask a very simple question on behalf of darkness. I feel I owe him this much at least as a BH reader. I want his name to be clear so that he can begin his new life, so may I ask why this question was not answered?
# Darkness Says:
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:45 pm
http://intelligentsingaporean.wordpress.com/2007/07/17/intro-to-singapores-socio-political-blogosphere/
HOW WAS IT POSSIBLE TO MISS OUT THE BROTHERHOOD PRESS?
BECAUSE I CANNOT UNDERSTAND, CAN SOMEONE PLEASE EXPLAIN TO ME, PERHAPS A JOURNALIST, A BLOGGER OR EVEN A READER.
HOW IS IT POSSIBLE TO HAVE MISSED US OUT BC I AM CERTAINLY NOT EVEN GETTING A SIMPLE ANSWER FROM THE PEOPLE WHO RUN SINGAPORE ANGLE OR EVEN MR BERNARD LEONG OR KEVIN LIM.
SO CAN SOMEONE PLS EXPLAIN TO ME?
Darkness 2007?
AS fans,
You wanted a civil and rational discourse? We gave it to you all. Now all we the brotherhood readers want is an answer to our question - see the post above.
Singapore Angle let me give you some very good advice.
Continue to blog.
Continue to even write many of your excellent articles.
Do this and probably do a hundred other things, but please in future do not appear in the newspaper, TV or even so much as a forum that claims to represent anyone except those who are represented in your own blog. I have a right to say, you do not have the right to represent me!
If you cannot do something well, then dont even try it. I am not being personal, just very truthful, if your Singapore Socio-political blogosphere review was a half hearted effort then don’t even attempt it bc half means half and someone always has to finish the job - that is why they asked the question.
So if you want to do something - do it properly or dont even attempt it!
As far as the SA credibility is concerned, it is very simple, what you think or what I even say is not important. In a few weeks all this will be forgotten.
All I know is this, I learn alot abt life from the BP. Whenever I read darkness novels or his articles, whenever someone ask him; why he does this or why he thinks that or why he thinks this is so important etc, the answer is always the same, if you notice, he always says,
“Bc I only live once………the worst thing in this world is to live in regret……..it will always come back to bite you…….this applies to broken relationships, business, or being a lousy parent etc……..it always comes back, that’s the problem…..it never ever goes away”
Darkness 2004
As a brotherhood reader I stood up and ‘on record’ I asked the question. I thought a long time abt this decision, bc I am the quiet type, but - “I only live once.”
This is a start, a very good start.
This discourse clearly shows the difference between the boys and the men, between the false and the real, between the pretentious and the truth seekers, and between the “kiasi” world and the brave new world.
Its good to play it safe, isn’t it? Who doesn’t know that?
Dr Who.
“Bc I only live once………the worst thing in this world is to live in regret……..it will always come back to bite you…….this applies to broken relationships, business, or being a lousy parent etc……..it always comes back, that’s the problem…..it never ever goes away”
Darkness 2004
You know something these words hit me very hard. What he said was so true. As for the Singapore Angle let me be very clear, they cannot absolve themselves from liability with just posting a few exclusion clauses - that is not how the real world works. Leadership is about accepting responsibility and not passing the buck - that is why, there is this concept known as vicarious liability.
Very sad all their credibility is gone
Dear BH supporters,
Let us not fool ourselves by licking the boots of darkness no end as if he is some demi-god / he isn’t / I was on the otherside during the so called great virtual game aka Pillium which wasn’t a game as it was a simulation which could have been easily translated into the real world. Who can dispute the fact, he took a white supremacy virtual force that invaded them first? Who can dispute the fact, he had the right to do so because, they attacked them first? Who can dispute they even fought against extraordinary odds and won, but let us get the facts right.
The blueprint of Pillium was a direct copy of the Israeli 6 day war - within 3 hours they destroyed all their enemies space ships on the ground, followed by communications, fuel lines, power supply etc. Soon after their tanks and ground forces encircled an army nearly 200 times larger than themselves, but let us never forget the atrocities committed in Pillium, of the number of troops captured in the virtual for every 1,000 only 1 survived and the rest were forced to give up their credits. In virtual terms, it means all their credits were taken away from them aka virtual mati. In virtual terms, the BH didn’t even abide by the Geneva Conventions. Instead they used this to extend their territories 150 fold and even today they occupy territory in the virtual that was once the domain of others, so let us not wind the myth machine any further.
I am glad the age of darkness is over. Did anyone believe he was sincere in engaging the SA in a rational debate? Let us be clear, they would have assigned the very best minds conducting their own survey of the blogosphere along with detailed charts, stats and whatever.
They were trying to lure out the SA to engage them directly - it was a trap, but the people in SA deployed the right strategy of non-engagement and by doing so they out-witted the great devil.
Darkness is not know as the great devil aka vanquisher of planets for nothing. He was indeed one of the most magnetic characters in the internet, but also one of the most destructive and ruthless who had almost a mythical aura abt him.
I am for one glad the age of darkness is finally over RIP
# Aaron’s fanon 27 Aug 2007 at 9:44 pm
“Message to all Brotherhood supporters.
Can you read English. I found this on SA site.
Notice: Each writer on Singapore Angle is in control over the comment threads associated with his own posts, to edit or delete individual comments, or to close the thread as he pleases.
I am quite surprised that those idiots are still going on about Singapore Angle this, Singapore Angle that, and hey -
Am I the only one who caught this?”
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I am very sorry Aaron fan, but I am still waiting for an answer only bc you called us all ‘idiots’ and referred to us as ppl who cannot read ‘English.’
Or do you want me to tell you and everyone here WHEN this caption was conveniently slipped into the SA? Was it BEFORE the whole thread was gutted out or AFTER.
Prove me wrong Aaron fan. I am challenging you openly in front of everyone.
Remember you started this, all I wanted to do was let darkness boy die and melt away with a bit of dignity - this wasnt too much to ask, surely.
Again I am issuing a challenge to the entire SA team prove me wrong. I even have a mirror copy of it, time and all, do you want me to post it here for the rest of the readers.
Pls answer my question or will it be another SA special? Where no reply forms part of the answer that raises more questions? I really wonder.
openheimeron 28 Aug 2007 at 5:04 pm
“I am for one glad the age of darkness is finally over RIP”
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Yes darkness darling - RIP - Rise If Possible (Please!)
” openheimeron 28 Aug 2007 at 5:04 pm
Dear BH supporters,
Let us not fool ourselves by licking the boots of darkness no end as if he is some demi-god / he isn’t / I was on the otherside during the so called great virtual game aka Pillium which wasn’t a game as it was a simulation which could have been easily translated into the real world. Who can dispute the fact, he took a white supremacy virtual force that invaded them first? Who can dispute the fact, he had the right to do so because, they attacked them first? Who can dispute they even fought against extraordinary odds and won, but let us get the facts right.
The blueprint of Pillium was a direct copy of the Israeli 6 day war - within 3 hours they destroyed all their enemies space ships on the ground, followed by communications, fuel lines, power supply etc. Soon after their tanks and ground forces encircled an army nearly 200 times larger than themselves, but let us never forget the atrocities committed in Pillium, of the number of troops captured in the virtual for every 1,000 only 1 survived and the rest were forced to give up their credits. In virtual terms, it means all their credits were taken away from them aka virtual mati. In virtual terms, the BH didn’t even abide by the Geneva Conventions. Instead they used this to extend their territories 150 fold and even today they occupy territory in the virtual that was once the domain of others, so let us not wind the myth machine any further.
I am glad the age of darkness is over. Did anyone believe he was sincere in engaging the SA in a rational debate? Let us be clear, they would have assigned the very best minds conducting their own survey of the blogosphere along with detailed charts, stats and whatever.
They were trying to lure out the SA to engage them directly - it was a trap, but the people in SA deployed the right strategy of non-engagement and by doing so they out-witted the great devil.
Darkness is not know as the great devil aka vanquisher of planets for nothing. He was indeed one of the most magnetic characters in the internet, but also one of the most destructive and ruthless who had almost a mythical aura abt him.
I am for one glad the age of darkness is finally over RIP”
Dear Openheimeron,
And who are you? Can you come out to the light and reveal yourself truly who you actually are? Why be a coward hiding behind a nickname to launch a campaign of character assassination?
Are you not worse than darkness? If darkness is as what you have painted him to be, then why are you engaging in this discourse? Why do you bother to dirty your own mind? I think darkness must have entered deep down into your psyche, disturbing you so much that you have to stoop so low to reveal your hatred and fear.
Rest in peace yourself, Openheimeron. Rest. RIP! That would be better for you, I believe.
Dr KK Ong (Hongkong).
Dear all, this is the lattest summary from the SA team today 29-8-07:
(1) No reply why so much of the thread was censored by the SA team: see -scimitaron 26 Aug 2007 at 2:01 am
(2) No reply to # linebacker3on 28 Aug 2007 at 9:35 pm on the issue of whether a writer has a right to delete comments and when was this caption actualy posted
(3) No reply to darkness question as posted by # Jan on
23 Aug 2007 at 11:16 am
(4) No reply concerning: Bernard’s fan statement on 28 Aug
2007 at 9:02 am / which is a deliberate
fabrication as the vodcast does NOT mention this
specifically or even impliedly. Neither does it state any
where, this remains the prerogrative sanctioned by Mr
Bernard Leong it show any
Please refer to: / linebacker2on 28 Aug 2007 at 9:52 am
reply on this issue.
(NB: I would seriously advise readers who are interested in this matter to print out a hard copy as it greatly facilitates navigation, understanding and you never know what else may be deleted.)
SA you wanted rational discourse right? We are giving it to you now.
Can we please have a reply?
Do have a very nice day
Anongal
# Aaron’s fanon 27 Aug 2007 at 9:44 pm
“Message to all Brotherhood supporters.
Can you read English. I found this on SA site.
Notice: Each writer on Singapore Angle is in control over the comment threads associated with his own posts, to edit or delete individual comments, or to close the thread as he pleases.
I am quite surprised that those idiots are still going on about Singapore Angle this, Singapore Angle that, and hey -
Am I the only one who caught this?”
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(issue 1)I am very sorry Aaron fan,
but we are still waiting for an answer.
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(issue 2)I am certain by now the Singapore Angle has sought legal and even professional advice on this matter.
This would be the next logical next step.
Only please remember, the world does not begin or end in NUS or even in Singapore, not when it comes to something as novel as cyber law. This I can assure you with a wide breadth.
Pls make doubly sure the subject matter experts you have consulted are really experts in their respective field are benchmarked according to international standards, merely being a kampung hero just doesn’t cut it, I am afraid.
This is after all a blue water subject.
Make sure they know their subject beyond merely the definitional and conceptual, but also have the requisite the industry and international experience to transcend the superficial supposition of the doctrine of precedent and basic theory.
I warned you all, the people who regularly read the BP are not idiots - how can they be?
How did we know abt this recent development? You wouldn’t even believe me if I told you. This does not affect your statutory rights.
res ipsa loquitor
The folks in Singapore Angle really have only one strategy - wait it out and hope that it will burn out by itself.
Personally, I beleive that will work in the short term…..I rather keep it to myself on what I think about the long term, because people will always be people in the real world and they can you know be quite emotional.
I remember darkness once wrote this -
:http://intelligentsingaporean.wordpress.com/2007/05/31/when-the-silence-is-deafening-post-unsw-edb-lessons/
I have read it bfr, but reading it now, it sums up many of my thoughts concerning this issue.
Its all over most of the intellectuals have left. Those who are still here will be logging off soon.
Let the guy die in peace, you win, he wins, they win, we win - so what? He’s not even interested in the fight any more, probably more interested in trying to figure out what would have happened to us, if we didnt have ears - no glasses.no iPod etc.
Darkness is like that to me.
Darkness was a wise man - wise enough to see the bigger picture. Even he wouldn’t have wanted the SA dead, men who can see the big picture can even see good even in their enemies to understand, they may be good for the over all good and that is enough reason to stop fighting, if one is true to good, good in your friend or enemy is still good.
I saw this often in his virtual forays, where there were many contradictions in his word and actions, but good as he always said is good even if it comes from the heart of an evil man, and bad is the same even if it comes from a saint - so what is this talk abt good and bad people? There are so many hilarious encounters like this in the BOA, the bible of the brotherhood.
He fought on a matter of principle, did he win or lose? Was the cost too high? Was the council right or wrong? Does he have the right to ask or not? For how long and why?
Does it really matter now - as someone said it is the end of an age.
I say let him retire gracefully, he was certainly a classic, let us all remember him the way he was.
It’s finished ladies. As he once said, there are never only losers or winners only where you choose to see what you call the truth.
Good Bye Bambi darkness boy and soar high.
Bye bambi boy soar soar soar and never look back.Love.
Aaron - thanks so much for hosting the brotherhood posts. As a fellow SA writer, you are really a darling!! I have a feeling this will soon reach 700 postings and reach all time record. All the best!
Aaron boy, soar soar soar with your wife and never look back!
Aaron boy,
Judging from post Aaron’s fanon 29 Aug 2007 at 10:21 pm and Aaron’s fanon 29 Aug 2007 at 11:48 pm.
It is patently clear to me there is was never ever any intention on your part of Singapre Angle to partake in serious debate -despite presenting Aaron boy with 3 attempts to answer the same question.
May I respectfully direct the question now to the administrators of Singapore Angle along with ALL their writers.
I will follow this up with my solicitors with a AR post after 14 days.
If I DO NOT get a reply within 14 here to Linebacker 1,2 and 3 question, a writ of summons will be issued. I assure you. I kid you not. I gave you all a chance, this is evident.
We will establish conclusively the Singapore angle deliberately defamed darkness, misrespresented the facts and acted in a manner which was inconsistent to what it represented to the general public. We will also seek for nominal damages on 8 specific counts. We hold the Singapore Angle exclusively responsible for this matter.
I would seriously advice the Singapore Angle to seek legal recourse on this matter as soon as possible.
I wanted to be civil about this matter that was why I insisted that it should be presented at least 3 times to Aaron fan, but it is clear to us this matter is treat with mirth at the greater expense of darkness and his reputation.
You have 14 days to respond.
You have absolutely no idea what you have started Aaron boy and you will live to regret it.
We did not ask for a war all we wanted was civil discourse and instead it regrets me to inform you, we will give you a war that will take ‘reputations’ to a place where it can be said it is the hottest place in hell.
We expect a reply directly from the administrators of the Singapore Angle before 14 days - here - according to the girls there are 8 points which we will address systematically to deconstruct - one by one.
It is clear to us that neither Aaron Ng or Aaron boy has the requisite maturity to treat this matter in the way in which it should s it is one that relates to personage, I am not amused.
Remember all asked was a graceful exit for Bambi boy. 14 days is all you have from today.
Pls feel to delete this post Aaron Ng, it will not make the slightest difference, this is now officially a legal matter - let it not be said, we attempted rational and civil discourse to resolve this matter.
I will protect the name of darkness to the end as you can see and this is simply a natural extension of my will.
Your Sincerely
The lady of the lake & associates
You have absolutely no idea how dashing Bambi baby bad boy looks with his hair slicked back in an Zegna suit ? Mosch tie - I think its time for him to make an appearance to the world.
Looks can really kill, I warn you all.
The only reason why I am not posting this in the Singapore Angle site is because all the prevailing evidence suggest they regularly delete post inorder to service their nefarious designs to serve their own own agenda. Incidentally, that is an actionable case if you wish to pursue it legally.
Yes, I am impinging on your reputation, pls sue me. I have taken the liberty of even a providing a Singapore registered IP for follow up.
I will look forward to it - a 8 points of it.
Remember, all I wished was for Bambi to have a dignified exit. You all forced my hand.
Good day
The Lady of the Lake
Dear all
This is a most interesting development.
We are indeed living in interesting times.
I agree the Singapore Angle along with all their writers including Aaron Ng are actively pursuing a strategy of non-engagement with the Brotherhood Press - this is clear for all to see.
While this may not be an optimal strategy that will resolve the main problem, it will at least contain it.
However please correct me (anyone please as I can well be very wrong here) -
this same strategy of non-engagement is now directed to the readers of the Brotherhood Press - this I believe is a very serious mistake on the part of the SA.
Based on my review of the thread which I printed out in full and spent nearly one full hour reading through - I can assure every single reader here tha t peole like Scimitar, Linebacker, Dee etc have in my opinion attempted to engage either Aaron Ng or any of the posters who claim to represent the Singapore Angle in the most reasonable and non-confrontational way, but in each case to no avail , despite the fact much of the post here must have been read by many of the writers who form the Singapore Angle team.
This is the part I really cannot comprehend or even begin to understand!
My Question; is that a wise strategy Singapore Angle? In my view it really depends on a few issues.
Firstly, by deploying a strategy of non-engagement directly with the Brotherhood - the Singapore Angle has lost probably in relative terms 30% of credibility because even I must admit many of the characters in the brotherhood are just crazy!
Now by the SIngapore Angle and all their writers deploying the same strategy of non-engagement to the readers of the brotherhood press - that in my opinion is just online hara-kiri i.e infanticide.
The reason why I believe this is because personalities like the Lady, Anongal, Scimitar along with the rest of their Amazonian team are indeed women of substance in the real world. They have a high degree of clout and are hardly irrational people as the brotherhood sometimes appear to be. So to regard them in the same fashion by deploying the same strategy of non-engagement will severely affect the credibility of the SA in the eyes of most netizens.
It has certainly damaged to at least a tune double to what the brotherhood could have achieved themselves - I have even been informed, this event will even redefine how the MSM will deal with blogosphere in the future.
What most of us do not often see as readers is how even darkness has to regularly pander to this influential group of readers by placating and even in certain cases accomodating them. I hope he will work behind the scenes to use his influence to keep the matter under control as this on-going dispute will serve the neither the interest of community or country - I urge you darkness to step in and take this matter seriously and not to delegate it to the others!
I believe the Singapore Angle apart from earning the wrath of most netizens such as myself, the brotherhood have inaddition to their ill conceived strategy of non-engagement now even provoked a large segment of professionals who have previously remained neutral and impartial. I believe many of the questions asked by this girls are reasonable. I believe many of these questions do have merit and are not necessarily malicious, but they are genuine request to gain a better understanding over the dispute. I believe many of the question have not only being asked once but repeated and on each occasion neither the Singapore Angle or any of their writers have responded accordingly. I believe by pursuing this strategy, it will not portend well for either the Singapore Angle or it’s readers.
Allow me pls to conduct a very simple question. I present this to ALL the writers in the Singapore Angle troupe:
“# Darkness Says:
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:45 pm
http://intelligentsingaporean.wordpress.com/2007/07/17/intro-to-singapores-socio-political-blogosphere/
HOW WAS IT POSSIBLE TO MISS OUT THE BROTHERHOOD PRESS?
BECAUSE I CANNOT UNDERSTAND, CAN SOMEONE PLEASE EXPLAIN TO ME, PERHAPS A JOURNALIST, A BLOGGER OR EVEN A READER.
HOW IS IT POSSIBLE TO HAVE MISSED US OUT BC I AM CERTAINLY NOT EVEN GETTING A SIMPLE ANSWER FROM THE PEOPLE WHO RUN SINGAPORE ANGLE OR EVEN MR BERNARD LEONG OR KEVIN LIM.
SO CAN SOMEONE PLS EXPLAIN TO ME?
Darkness 2007″
Will I ever get an answer?
And if not how can you even claim the right to one foothold of moral and ethical currency? How do you expect people to read, believe you.
Now you know why I seriously believe this is a mega PR disaster for the SA team.
I am very sorry for the long post, but I felt the need to put everything down so that we all have a very clear picture and I hope we can all move on from here.
Yours very faithfully
Koh. C.H (Xerox)
Darkness,
I hope you will for once appreciate the gravity of this recent development.
I have a relationship with a few of the council members as you very well know.
However it is common knowledge, I am a neutral party and have nothing to gain from this enterprise.
I would like to offer my services as a facilitator to seek a peaceful resolution with The Lady and her friends only because I believe this on-going dispute serves no long-term good.
Already much intellectual capital has been lost by the migration! This cannot be good darkness even if you decide to turn it on it’s head!
Will you help me darkness? Even if you are indifferent to the council?
However, I prefer this matter to be settled discreetly and in private, only because this will greatly remove much of the distractions that will often work against a successful and lasting resolution.
I have taken the liberty of making all the arrangements for us to discuss this matter.
As you know a few members of the council will be there and I believe their presence will add considerably to aiding us in fleshing out the practical details before we engage these ladies proper.
Darkness we all need to speak in one voice - do you understand how serious this matter can be? - let us do it quietly and resolve this matter gently.
I have never asked you for anything but I believe I have a “right” - that you know of - to ask for my cup to be filled brother and you have no choice but to fill it and say to me: your cup is now filled - now drink and it will flow sweet and clear brother. I believe this is my right to ask you to step in and help now.
Let us conduct further discussions in private, it is almost impossible these days to contact you. This is not a good place or the way serious people resolve problems.
Your Friend
CEO
Council pretending to be CEO,
“I have a relationship with a few of the council members as you very well know. However it is common knowledge, I am a neutral party and have nothing to gain from this enterprise.”
That’s like saying my business card reads 666 - Jalan Hell and the name of my Boss is Lucifer and you have nothing to do with the end times.
What I find incredibly amusing everytime the council desperately needs the help of darkness to defuse an explosive incident - words like “we” / “our” / “common good” /”duty” / “brother” etc. I have to give you chaps points, you all really have class, never beg, never even as much as help!
You idiots all cancelled his com-sat etc / there is only this G-Line it belongs to the Lady of the Lake / I will find him, tell the Council nothing is for free. I swear he will give you a reply here, but remember nothing is free!
My Respects
BOP
PS: Like Odex nothing is ever what it seems even when it seems to be in the palm of your hands LOL - rest assured I will find him and even do your bidding, but remember nothing is free!
Council /CEO
Do you want like ODEX? Or sudden curtain like IS?
I have found darkness, he has a p-line, he will reply here, but after that he wants the whole thread closed off forever. Remember nothing is free!
Greetings Council of the Shit,
You mothers must be wallowing in a whirlpool of shit to use the BOP to find me – let me just try out my ESP skills, all of you are in the boardroom right now Vollariane, Memphisto and probably 20 of the best fund managers in Singapore trying to figure out how you’re going to balance the accounts – the lady of lake has finally decided to cash in her chips (oh dear, we don’t have the liquidity – the bank of England has finally run out of money!)
You know what? A few years ago when Cerebus asked me how I would propose to organize the financial profile to deal with the guilds, I actually said to him that I would keep it so simple that even an idiot would be able to manage the slush fund. When he asked why, I said because I believe eventually a committee of brainless idiots would end up managing it. I was joking of course, but I didn’t expect him to take it so seriously.
Now what are you mothers going to do? The lady of the lake and her financial Rotweillers want to cash out! She’s serious this time, she wants it all and you chaps don’t have the chips do you? Otherwise why invoke our ancient ritual of the metaphor of filling the cup? It can only be done once and only once - You are right, under our code - I cannot refuse another brother, it’s written our waters are mixed forever.
I know what some of you are doing right now - you’re looking down, trying to even avoid eye contact, some even searching for a spot on the wall - each comforting yourself with that, “it wasn’t my fault, I didn’t calculate the fall out of shutting down the BP! This wasn’t supposed to happen!” The short answer is you should have and the reason why you didn’t is because all of you have shit for brains!
I want you understand: this is perhaps the most important mail you will ever read in the next 10 years of your life only because this time tomorrow, the brotherhood may not even exist in the virtual any longer!
By now even the best of our financial scholars would have calculated the cost of raising the sum demanded by the lady of the lake and her associates is impossible under such short notice! Even the finest in our Guilds would have calculated you have as much chance as raising that sum as a tornado tearing through a junkyard and somehow magically assembling a fully functional space shuttle! Get real you are deep shit – neck deep in it- with not only the guilds, but the allies, metal and mineral exchange and probably a thousand other virtual financial entities!
What happened here gentlemen? Where did you fuck up? How did it go so wrong? All we did was disband the FC boys and put darkness in cold storage, we all know he’s just famous for his Byzantine sulks and nothing else in the greater scheme of things – a minor cog in the machine that aspired to change the world.
Why didn’t these turn of events feature in the calculations of even our best scholars? What if I told you none of these ladies are even seeking for justice? Or for that matter revenge – what if I said, I am not even in the equation and even less of them see this enterprise as a crusade between right and wrong. And even if it did, it has little to do with the whole idea of validation and even less with the ideal of redemption, let alone the exoneration of a man who was once known as darkness!
Why are they all mounting a financial vote of no confidence now? Why are they prepared to cut their own noses to spite all of you? What’s happening here?
If you want me to fill the cup, you all need to sit down shut the fuck up and listen to what I have to say and understand the anatomy of what I call the age of the empire of the bones. All of you were its framers – the inexorable financial collapse of the brotherhood will happen – because this time, tomorrow that is all the brotherhood will be in the virtual another Enron, that’s how serious it is this time – it’s the eleventh hour – the specter of doom and gloom hangs over the horizon.
Did you ever believe for even a second, you could just pull the plug by dismantling everything I have built SLF’s etc and packing it off somewhere in some obscure warehouse without causing a revolution of mythical proportions.
Let me share with you the truth which I have always known deep down in my heart. No one ever admits they read the BP. They don’t like to admit that they do, because it’s like masturbation – one of those illicit thrills that’s woven on the reverse side of the fabric of consciousness – doesn’t mean, its not happening even next door at this very moment, it just means you’re not aware of it. What happens when you take that sense of ‘being’ into an imaginary world gentlemen where you just have to say to yourself, “Oh my God, I feel he is just like me – there are other people like me and he is verbalizing every hemisphere of my emotions!” That world then, is a world you can’t share with the people around you – like the venereal disease it’s a condition that requires all the pretenses but it hardly precludes the need for a backdoor as any decent skin doctor would testify too. Because it’s imaginary, And so the most important dialogue in your life is with the authors of the books you read – yes people like me, who even write sappy, trite and toe curling love stories. Though they aren’t present, they become one’s only community. A mirror even which allows them to draw the distinction between their real pain and their realization they are as flawed as me – you have no idea how appealing this ideal of the flawed classical nerd is to many of those who you have inadvertently angered – by shutting down the BP, you have denied them all a release from their gnawing, almost remorseful need to seek out the incongruities in their own life to even begin to make sense of how they really are – you have cast them, to that place where their sense of isolation and estrangement that separates the real from the imaginary is so frightening, it aggravates their need for reclusion, which they derive so much of their strength that makes an unbearable life bearable. Are you listening to me?
I am not a great writer not by any stretch of the imagination, but I wrote honestly from the very depths of my heart – when I use the your “I” it isn’t so much the “I” as it the “you” in its most personal sense that even goes beyond its dictionary meaning – to even feel as if when they were just reading about this or that hero and all his trials and tribulations all they were really doing was looking straight into the mirror of life that reflected their own pain within the depths of their soul – you didn’t shut down the BP, you took away their world! Somewhere in the accidental description of hero in one of my novels, in even the full glory of lousy spelling and mangled sentences was their confirmation of the description they called the “truth.”: simply not to be misunderstood, to try and fail, to fall and bleed: all these revealed themselves starkes, suddenly in contained even a sharp sense of exhilaration that validated their existence.
In short gentlemen you took away their world! Shattered it even, what I call the voice of their “reaffirming unanimity.” And so they will destroy you, they will see you to the ends of their world and plunge you to the very place where there can only be silence. This my friends is how the framers of the empire of bones set the machinery of self-destruction into action – its inexorable – the brotherhood is finished!
What you all fail to understand is you messed with something that was even bigger than all of us put together – in one simple curtain dropping act of shutting down the BP, you didn’t so much end our the world of the FC Boys or Inspirid, but rather snuffed out at some point the comfort, joy and privacy that allows every reader to be seen and understood.
At that moment, when you snuffed out their world, even one that is neither as big as a statistical significant nor as small as the naked self – a world so small, it could be said, there are only just two people, the faithful writer and the trusting reader. We may be different, never ever seeing each other for years even, walking away from each others path, but never ever doubt, we are were and still one of the same reality – that is why they will kill you all!
Now to the question: of our ancient code – will I fill your cup brothers? Yes. Will it be clear and sweet? Yes. As a brother, I shall keep to all the covenants which once bound us as a fraternity never ever breaking a word once.
(1) First thing first. This is what I want to be done at 0940 GMT @ 080-034-099 / A Tribellium Class cruiser will be hold geo static orbit around the Acadian system – I want the council to float 3 pods each using Amoridian robotic capsules – if I see a battle cruiser any where the deal is off - containing 130,000,000 Imperiums in each pod / small notes each not exceeding 40 shekels – keep the transaction clean, we will all be there Atomic Monkey, Harphoon, AB, SB and even the girl Aurora – we are cashing out of the brotherhood. You have my word. You will never hear from us again. I care even less of what happens to the brotherhood. I have decided its time to start my life.
(2) Once I receive this e-money this is what I will do, I will visit the lady of the lake and persuade her to extend the instruments channels for a period of two years – you all know my word is good and you all know I can do it – I do not want anyone to interfere with this matter, it will be conducted privately according to my own schedule. You all know I can do this – call it what you want seduction, manipulation or just that I am a good to boot woman user, I really don’t give a flying fuck – judge me even if you wish too, but she will agree only because of this which I once wrote:
“That evening as I looked at the third wife, it seemed as if the sun had broken through the clouds, it may have been a mere illusion on my part. Yet the entire composition of the scene, the soft murmur of gambling chips being thrown on green felt, the sound of a single ivory ball bouncing on the roulette wheel all these slowly coalesced into a solitary image - the face of the third wife.
How I long to tell a story that differs from the one I am telling! You have no idea, how hard I have tried to change it, yet the same face reappears only to find myself trapped, stretched bare on a pelt rack crushed by the intensity of the moment.
Here one has no choice but to, perform the same actions, think the same thoughts and go through the same litany. You may think you could have said and done differently to alter the direction of this story, but trust me my friend just as some flowers have no choice but to radiate their beauty and others their ugliness, you don’t have any thing close to a “choice” – even birds know this when they gather along telegraph lines on a cold September morning sensing the encroaching winter creep up on them – they step right out of the “I” take up their place in a formation along side other nameless and faceless birds to fly off to warmer lands – they assume their faceless role without too much fuss, no one expects them to say “sorry”, “how do you do?” or even care to ask, “where you’re from.” – “or where you’re flying too?” – they know something you and I don’t.
So please don’t think my tale circular; in truth, it has no shape or direction. This happens when a man finds the outer world slipping away from his inner world. That night as I looked on at the third wife, the “I” had somehow slid out of my body put on a pair of trainers and taken off full speed towards some dark alley, leaving only a man who shuffled his chips absentmindedly wondering:
“How long had I wandered, how had I come to where I am?”
It wasn’t the reality you, he or they are accustomed too, it’s the variety where the “I” was bolted off, the type that leads you to do and say the things that you wouldn’t normally do.
That night as I followed the figure of the third wife - who writhed sinuously extenuating the roundness of her hips and narrowness of her waist with every step she took. I followed her without saying a word down the sweeping stairways, through the smoke filled lobby into the dimly lit streets of London towards the Arab section just off China town and into a rented room resplendent with shimmering Turkish mosaics of a crystalline texture – I remembered the third wife naked, her milky white skin framed against purple silk sheets and the wan of the yellow street lamps filtering Moorish patterned shadows on her skin – beads of sweat at the forehead edge of her jet black hair, and in her dark triangle, on her eyelashes – while her liquid brown eyes looked on as if she cared only for tonight as if even she had the power to stop time it’self – perhaps she could, I remembered saying to myself.
Like the many birds of this world who simply know, it is time to leave before crushing cold of winter sets in and takes off into the darkness through the sky and beyond, into the endless night, it scarcely mattered where she was leading me too, even why or whether it was right.
That night as the “I” ran out of me into the night, I was no longer Yu Huan Guan the Singaporean gangster in London – or the benefactor who carries the money for the four houses – I was merely a cold and solitary soul, lost in the distant constellation I could no longer see as I sensed her words to me that night.
“Come, my beloved, let us remain here on the fluted damask and enameled tiles of our bedchamber and shut out the world, let us linger on the carved wooden filigrees and arabesques that decorate it’s many door and shutters. Here tonight, we have a place we can call our world in the world. Come, my beloved. And in the eternity of this moment, the only that has ever existed, we shall never know the fate of the storyteller, the outcome of the story, or the difference between the two. This will be our chapter.”
I had been magically transformed into a mythical bird – I was Garuda.
darkness 2002”
You see it wasn’t just a story, now you know why she is so angry - the lady of the lake is the third wife.
Now all I really have to do is to allow life to mirror art? Do I even have a choice? It’s already written.
Let me go in peace, I want to marry, start a family and turn the wheel of life.
I am darkness (2007)
NB: Aaron please close this thread please and thank you for your hospitality, it will all end here it is the end of an age and even you must play your part – darkness 2007
Hi, Inspir3d,
If you could, I would really hope to hear from you. Why did IS close down?
Best regards,
darkness,
You are welcome. I will accede to your request. All the best!
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