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		<title>By: aibo</title>
		<link>http://aaron-ng.info/blog/unsw-follows-the-footsteps-of-warwick.html/comment-page-1#comment-15595</link>
		<dc:creator>aibo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 May 2007 05:12:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just call WANG a pile of shit! Just like that. OK.

Agree with you darkness. How did they get it so wrong? 

Coming to think of it how did the Bio tech push get it so wrong.

What abt MTI?

What abt Shozou?

What abt Shin Corp?

Are we living in the Matrix or did it really happen darkness?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just call WANG a pile of shit! Just like that. OK.</p>
<p>Agree with you darkness. How did they get it so wrong? </p>
<p>Coming to think of it how did the Bio tech push get it so wrong.</p>
<p>What abt MTI?</p>
<p>What abt Shozou?</p>
<p>What abt Shin Corp?</p>
<p>Are we living in the Matrix or did it really happen darkness?</p>
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		<title>By: boyying</title>
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		<dc:creator>boyying</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2007 15:48:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it surprising EDB is like that ? Hey, guys, remember ACCS, where the founder Victor Tan was jailed for fraud. http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/singaporelocalnews/view/225156/1/.html

And yet EDB is the largest financial for this company and fork out $19 millions, and sure enough the share price shoot up to 80 cents and down to peanuts few days later !!! And yet when Victor Tan and ACCS get scrutinized, EDB is not being examined !!!! Holy shit, for a gov board to fork out millions of dollars and do not know what the fuck is going on is just plain pretension ! Will you spend taxmoney on a company without the planting and knowing what happened to ACCS&#039;s operation ? My foot !!!

And now this saga happened with NSW happened. Only this time, the AngMoh is more daring and eloquent and willing to admit the whole thing. In ACCS, the gov is been protected to save face. By with outsider, we now know better what happened to EDB !!

&quot;Victor Tan,ACCSâ€™s Founder,
Managing Director and CEO, credits
EDB for fast-tracking the growth of
the company at a critical juncture. In
2001, EDB recognised the potential
of the business and invested S$19
million to fund its expansion.The
capital injection enabled ACCS to
grow at an accelerated rate, from 
11 centres across six countries as at
end-2000 to 66 centres across 11
countries just 12 months later.&quot;
from http://www.edb.gov.sg/etc/medialib/downloads/about_edb.Par.0069.File.tmp/page66_accs.pdf

Either case, the EDB just keep bloody mouth shout ! Something fishy is going on !!!

Wakeup Singaporean, we been duped !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it surprising EDB is like that ? Hey, guys, remember ACCS, where the founder Victor Tan was jailed for fraud. <a href="http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/singaporelocalnews/view/225156/1/.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/singaporelocalnews/view/225156/1/.html</a></p>
<p>And yet EDB is the largest financial for this company and fork out $19 millions, and sure enough the share price shoot up to 80 cents and down to peanuts few days later !!! And yet when Victor Tan and ACCS get scrutinized, EDB is not being examined !!!! Holy shit, for a gov board to fork out millions of dollars and do not know what the fuck is going on is just plain pretension ! Will you spend taxmoney on a company without the planting and knowing what happened to ACCS&#8217;s operation ? My foot !!!</p>
<p>And now this saga happened with NSW happened. Only this time, the AngMoh is more daring and eloquent and willing to admit the whole thing. In ACCS, the gov is been protected to save face. By with outsider, we now know better what happened to EDB !!</p>
<p>&#8220;Victor Tan,ACCSâ€™s Founder,<br />
Managing Director and CEO, credits<br />
EDB for fast-tracking the growth of<br />
the company at a critical juncture. In<br />
2001, EDB recognised the potential<br />
of the business and invested S$19<br />
million to fund its expansion.The<br />
capital injection enabled ACCS to<br />
grow at an accelerated rate, from<br />
11 centres across six countries as at<br />
end-2000 to 66 centres across 11<br />
countries just 12 months later.&#8221;<br />
from <a href="http://www.edb.gov.sg/etc/medialib/downloads/about_edb.Par.0069.File.tmp/page66_accs.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.edb.gov.sg/etc/medialib/downloads/about_edb.Par.0069.File.tmp/page66_accs.pdf</a></p>
<p>Either case, the EDB just keep bloody mouth shout ! Something fishy is going on !!!</p>
<p>Wakeup Singaporean, we been duped !</p>
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		<title>By: darkness</title>
		<link>http://aaron-ng.info/blog/unsw-follows-the-footsteps-of-warwick.html/comment-page-1#comment-15590</link>
		<dc:creator>darkness</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2007 15:35:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;For any business, there is no such thing as risk free. It depends on targets and also change in management or etc.&quot;

My advice to everyone is if you want to drive off the cliff then go and see WANG, bc he has absolutely no idea how to manage a successful business.

The central issue here has nothing to do with the viability of the business. That after all is deduced from the financial projection i.e how many students? What is the optimal fee? Whats the overheads? What are the fixed cost? Whats the working capital? etc. Essentially, its a matter of statistical analysis - no mystery there! So no point looking into that empty box.

The issue here is how did they EDB and UNSW get it so wrong as to miss the mark by the proverbial mile? Over 100%!

This naturally throws out questions was EDB fulfilling its role as a value added partner and facilitator in this entire business venture? After all if the figures were so delusionally unrealistic shouldn&#039;t they have alerted UNSW? Or am I to believe they left the entire market projection to UNSW? If so how could they  have been so negligent to authorised such a large investment without first conducting their own feasebility study?

To determine what is the sickness or where it all unravelled. You need to be able to find the root cause. All of you are just commenting on the symptoms. 

The question that answers this entire debacle isnt who pulled the plug. That a bit like blaming the night watch man for calling the fire brigade when the building is on fire. Or even why they have decided to jump ship even before they set sail. Obviously, they dont want to drive their car off the cliff, so you cant blame them.

But that still doesnt answer the question: how did they dig such a hole for themselves in the first place? 

Go back to the root: how did they derived at their projections? How realistic were the projections? How could they are erred so far off the market reality to suggest their projections were even delusional? Were there any factors that skewered their analysis? If so what were they? And why?

Always go back to the source. Everything has a source. Otherwise all you would be doing is rain dancing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;For any business, there is no such thing as risk free. It depends on targets and also change in management or etc.&#8221;</p>
<p>My advice to everyone is if you want to drive off the cliff then go and see WANG, bc he has absolutely no idea how to manage a successful business.</p>
<p>The central issue here has nothing to do with the viability of the business. That after all is deduced from the financial projection i.e how many students? What is the optimal fee? Whats the overheads? What are the fixed cost? Whats the working capital? etc. Essentially, its a matter of statistical analysis &#8211; no mystery there! So no point looking into that empty box.</p>
<p>The issue here is how did they EDB and UNSW get it so wrong as to miss the mark by the proverbial mile? Over 100%!</p>
<p>This naturally throws out questions was EDB fulfilling its role as a value added partner and facilitator in this entire business venture? After all if the figures were so delusionally unrealistic shouldn&#8217;t they have alerted UNSW? Or am I to believe they left the entire market projection to UNSW? If so how could they  have been so negligent to authorised such a large investment without first conducting their own feasebility study?</p>
<p>To determine what is the sickness or where it all unravelled. You need to be able to find the root cause. All of you are just commenting on the symptoms. </p>
<p>The question that answers this entire debacle isnt who pulled the plug. That a bit like blaming the night watch man for calling the fire brigade when the building is on fire. Or even why they have decided to jump ship even before they set sail. Obviously, they dont want to drive their car off the cliff, so you cant blame them.</p>
<p>But that still doesnt answer the question: how did they dig such a hole for themselves in the first place? </p>
<p>Go back to the root: how did they derived at their projections? How realistic were the projections? How could they are erred so far off the market reality to suggest their projections were even delusional? Were there any factors that skewered their analysis? If so what were they? And why?</p>
<p>Always go back to the source. Everything has a source. Otherwise all you would be doing is rain dancing.</p>
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		<title>By: Pseudonymity</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pseudonymity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2007 01:41:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like i said in my earlier comment @ mambo no. 5  :lol: .....

&quot;The accounts committee said that the Economic Development Board (EDB), the city-stateâ€™s powerful economic agency, had shown lapses in its governance structure, financial operations, procurement and accounting systems.

â€œThis was the first audit of the EDB undertaken by the Auditor-General and the audit had given rise to a large number of observations in which the board had not established proper internal control procedures,â€ the accounts committee said in the report released on Friday.

A sum of S$105 million ($69 million) allocated in the EDBâ€™s 2005/06 budget was not submitted to the EDBâ€™s board for approval, and the board had allowed staff to grant loans and to borrow without reporting that to the board, the report said.&quot;

The local press, as usual, are not giving this report prominence. Hardly surprising. Its a Reuters report which i&#039;ve posted over at my blog if anybody wishes to read it...  &lt;a href=&quot;http://pseudonymity.wordpress.com/2007/05/26/public-accounts-committee-finds-lapses-within-edb/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Public Accounts Committee Finds Lapses Within EDB&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like i said in my earlier comment @ mambo no. 5  <img src='http://aaron-ng.info/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif' alt=':lol:' class='wp-smiley' />  &#8230;..</p>
<p>&#8220;The accounts committee said that the Economic Development Board (EDB), the city-stateâ€™s powerful economic agency, had shown lapses in its governance structure, financial operations, procurement and accounting systems.</p>
<p>â€œThis was the first audit of the EDB undertaken by the Auditor-General and the audit had given rise to a large number of observations in which the board had not established proper internal control procedures,â€ the accounts committee said in the report released on Friday.</p>
<p>A sum of S$105 million ($69 million) allocated in the EDBâ€™s 2005/06 budget was not submitted to the EDBâ€™s board for approval, and the board had allowed staff to grant loans and to borrow without reporting that to the board, the report said.&#8221;</p>
<p>The local press, as usual, are not giving this report prominence. Hardly surprising. Its a Reuters report which i&#8217;ve posted over at my blog if anybody wishes to read it&#8230;  <a href="http://pseudonymity.wordpress.com/2007/05/26/public-accounts-committee-finds-lapses-within-edb/" rel="nofollow">Public Accounts Committee Finds Lapses Within EDB</a></p>
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		<title>By: Chenghao</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chenghao</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 17:51:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>from http://www.audit.nsw.gov.au/publications/reports/financial/2007/vol2/pdf/17_0454_university_of_new_south_wales.pdf

if u look @ their report page 13 , seems like the net liabilities is the most @ 3.4 mil , supporting the factor of finance contributing to the pull out from sg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>from <a href="http://www.audit.nsw.gov.au/publications/reports/financial/2007/vol2/pdf/17_0454_university_of_new_south_wales.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.audit.nsw.gov.au/publications/reports/financial/2007/vol2/pdf/17_0454_university_of_new_south_wales.pdf</a></p>
<p>if u look @ their report page 13 , seems like the net liabilities is the most @ 3.4 mil , supporting the factor of finance contributing to the pull out from sg</p>
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		<title>By: Francis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Francis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2007 20:12:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The market was just not there for an Aussie branch university in Singapore.  It only made minor incremental sense for students in Singapore and perhaps neighboring countries to go to the UNSW Singapore campus.  

The cost savings, if any, btw the Singapore and the Aussie campuses does not outweigh the benefits of having an established and wider campus experience in UNSW&#039;s Aussie campus, plus the ability to take a lot more courses.

UNSW isn&#039;t UChicago, INSEAD or Tisch... both in terms of quality and locale inconvenience (Australia is only a few hours away, the others are half day journeys at best).  It was unfortunately an ill-conceived venture to begin with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The market was just not there for an Aussie branch university in Singapore.  It only made minor incremental sense for students in Singapore and perhaps neighboring countries to go to the UNSW Singapore campus.  </p>
<p>The cost savings, if any, btw the Singapore and the Aussie campuses does not outweigh the benefits of having an established and wider campus experience in UNSW&#8217;s Aussie campus, plus the ability to take a lot more courses.</p>
<p>UNSW isn&#8217;t UChicago, INSEAD or Tisch&#8230; both in terms of quality and locale inconvenience (Australia is only a few hours away, the others are half day journeys at best).  It was unfortunately an ill-conceived venture to begin with.</p>
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		<title>By: sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2007 17:12:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>let&#039;s not squeeze water from a rock. maybe it&#039;s just due to poor enrolment. it&#039;s all economics. they didn&#039;t have the board to develop it... get it? get it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>let&#8217;s not squeeze water from a rock. maybe it&#8217;s just due to poor enrolment. it&#8217;s all economics. they didn&#8217;t have the board to develop it&#8230; get it? get it?</p>
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		<title>By: Ken</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2007 14:50:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s indeed very disappointing. I don&#039;t know whether it&#039;s fair to criticise NUS and SMU for this, because both these schools advertise in a way that misleads people, eg: the Biz School TV ad, statements like &quot;They tell you to be a realist; we say follow your dreams&quot;.

Being a NUS student, I know NUS is a good place to be in, but I feel most ads I see in papers or TV don&#039;t really represent the true picture. 

The NUS and SMU media war is more of &quot;shock and awe&quot; and &quot;winning hearts and minds&quot; than anything. They create hype in students&#039; minds unnecessarily and unfairly, and may have played a role in UNSW Asia&#039;s downfall (in terms of intake nos).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s indeed very disappointing. I don&#8217;t know whether it&#8217;s fair to criticise NUS and SMU for this, because both these schools advertise in a way that misleads people, eg: the Biz School TV ad, statements like &#8220;They tell you to be a realist; we say follow your dreams&#8221;.</p>
<p>Being a NUS student, I know NUS is a good place to be in, but I feel most ads I see in papers or TV don&#8217;t really represent the true picture. </p>
<p>The NUS and SMU media war is more of &#8220;shock and awe&#8221; and &#8220;winning hearts and minds&#8221; than anything. They create hype in students&#8217; minds unnecessarily and unfairly, and may have played a role in UNSW Asia&#8217;s downfall (in terms of intake nos).</p>
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		<title>By: WANG</title>
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		<dc:creator>WANG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2007 07:29:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aaron

For any business, there is no such thing as risk free. It depends on targets and also change in management or etc.

 Doing the numbers, yes, you would expect some losses, but tell me is 300 students so difficult to achieve considering the size of the market.  

Further, as noted in the news article, there were no possibility of ratcheting up as noted in the 2nd semester enrolment figures . In this , why should any rational business person continue. Most CEOs or CFOs expect a shortfall of 10%-20% or max 30% but anything above that in a buoyant global economy means the numbers were wrong hence cut loss time unless it is the CEOs or CFOs pet projects.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aaron</p>
<p>For any business, there is no such thing as risk free. It depends on targets and also change in management or etc.</p>
<p> Doing the numbers, yes, you would expect some losses, but tell me is 300 students so difficult to achieve considering the size of the market.  </p>
<p>Further, as noted in the news article, there were no possibility of ratcheting up as noted in the 2nd semester enrolment figures . In this , why should any rational business person continue. Most CEOs or CFOs expect a shortfall of 10%-20% or max 30% but anything above that in a buoyant global economy means the numbers were wrong hence cut loss time unless it is the CEOs or CFOs pet projects.</p>
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		<title>By: boyying</title>
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		<dc:creator>boyying</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2007 07:05:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Singapore gov only want to talk about money, and only money, then NSW is just doing that. Make money, I stay, Lose money, I leave. That&#039;s why I feel the gov here is terrible. The MNC will have this mentality too because the gov here promote it as way of life.

In China, it is about relationship as much as making money.

I wonder how much money gov has been giving MNC as incentives to make them stay ! And media will make gov think that they are superman despite all the expense incur show otherwise !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Singapore gov only want to talk about money, and only money, then NSW is just doing that. Make money, I stay, Lose money, I leave. That&#8217;s why I feel the gov here is terrible. The MNC will have this mentality too because the gov here promote it as way of life.</p>
<p>In China, it is about relationship as much as making money.</p>
<p>I wonder how much money gov has been giving MNC as incentives to make them stay ! And media will make gov think that they are superman despite all the expense incur show otherwise !</p>
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