Comments on: What the heck is the meaning of “conservative”? http://aaron-ng.info/blog/what-the-heck-is-the-meaning-of-conservative.html Comments, opinions and an occasional ramble Wed, 19 Nov 2008 16:03:18 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: nanaebear http://aaron-ng.info/blog/what-the-heck-is-the-meaning-of-conservative.html#comment-17796 nanaebear Sun, 01 Jun 2008 13:57:56 +0000 http://aaron-ng.info/blog/what-the-heck-is-the-meaning-of-conservative.html#comment-17796 Why don't people see this in the perspective of love? Instead of genders? Love doesn't only exist between opposite sex, isn't it? Friends, families, loved ones.. Anyone on earth basically.. So how can you say it's wrong? Or deny love's existence between homos? If love is a sin, then I guess I have nothing to say.. Why don’t people see this in the perspective of love? Instead of genders? Love doesn’t only exist between opposite sex, isn’t it? Friends, families, loved ones.. Anyone on earth basically.. So how can you say it’s wrong? Or deny love’s existence between homos?

If love is a sin, then I guess I have nothing to say..

]]> By: die die http://aaron-ng.info/blog/what-the-heck-is-the-meaning-of-conservative.html#comment-17685 die die Mon, 05 May 2008 09:20:04 +0000 http://aaron-ng.info/blog/what-the-heck-is-the-meaning-of-conservative.html#comment-17685 die la like dat! die la like dat!

]]> By: cardova http://aaron-ng.info/blog/what-the-heck-is-the-meaning-of-conservative.html#comment-17586 cardova Mon, 21 Apr 2008 07:04:55 +0000 http://aaron-ng.info/blog/what-the-heck-is-the-meaning-of-conservative.html#comment-17586 "Conservative = resistance to change. Conservative = religious." Sigh. You sorry liberals, you really don't get us conservatives do you? Two words: SOCIAL CONSERVATISM. That is all you have been describing. Yup, after all that yakkety yak about half-westernization or 'moral conservation' or some other sockheaded liberal phraseology, you haven't even begun to address the real culprits like me who cheer on for laws like 377A. You got so stuck by the label 'conservative' that you fail to realize conservatism is more than an attitude, its an ideology. The conservatives of today were never yesterday's liberals and they will still be the conservatives of tomorrow. Contrary to what you think, 'reason' is not the exclusive preserve of liberals like yourselves. Back in the United States we never forgave the liberals for not taking us seriously, and have made them pay dearly for it. Get out of your cozy effeminate university domiciles and try defending the repeal of 377A over here. If you liberals in singapore are not careful you will make the same mistake that your brethren did. “Conservative = resistance to change.
Conservative = religious.”

Sigh.

You sorry liberals, you really don’t get us conservatives do you? Two words: SOCIAL CONSERVATISM. That is all you have been describing. Yup, after all that yakkety yak about half-westernization or ‘moral conservation’ or some other sockheaded liberal phraseology, you haven’t even begun to address the real culprits like me who cheer on for laws like 377A. You got so stuck by the label ‘conservative’ that you fail to realize conservatism is more than an attitude, its an ideology. The conservatives of today were never yesterday’s liberals and they will still be the conservatives of tomorrow. Contrary to what you think, ‘reason’ is not the exclusive preserve of liberals like yourselves.

Back in the United States we never forgave the liberals for not taking us seriously, and have made them pay dearly for it. Get out of your cozy effeminate university domiciles and try defending the repeal of 377A over here. If you liberals in singapore are not careful you will make the same mistake that your brethren did.

]]> By: James http://aaron-ng.info/blog/what-the-heck-is-the-meaning-of-conservative.html#comment-16923 James Tue, 06 Nov 2007 11:17:41 +0000 http://aaron-ng.info/blog/what-the-heck-is-the-meaning-of-conservative.html#comment-16923 As is already so clear, there is no gun at all. The law is just a symbol that society in general does not accept homosexuality. Muslims don't. And the vast majority of Christians and Catholics don't either. First people say let there be real democracy. Now when there is very likely a majority of people who want the law kept, just as a symbol, there are protests that this is also not right. Come on. We can argue till the cows come home, but basically this is an issue of ethics, morality and spiritual judgement. Those who think that homosexuality is wrong and wants the law preserved as a symbol, and those who think that homosexuality is part of a person's right to choose and that choice would not cause a negative impact on society. A very simple question and answer. I think just about all parents now, young and old, would be heartbroken if their child is homosexual. Any figures one asks? None, I admit, just a gut feeling. And you would have to agree that I am very likely correct on this. As is already so clear, there is no gun at all. The law is just a symbol that society in general does not accept homosexuality. Muslims don’t. And the vast majority of Christians and Catholics don’t either.

First people say let there be real democracy. Now when there is very likely a majority of people who want the law kept, just as a symbol, there are protests that this is also not right. Come on.

We can argue till the cows come home, but basically this is an issue of ethics, morality and spiritual judgement. Those who think that homosexuality is wrong and wants the law preserved as a symbol, and those who think that homosexuality is part of a person’s right to choose and that choice would not cause a negative impact on society.

A very simple question and answer. I think just about all parents now, young and old, would be heartbroken if their child is homosexual. Any figures one asks? None, I admit, just a gut feeling. And you would have to agree that I am very likely correct on this.

]]> By: Jol http://aaron-ng.info/blog/what-the-heck-is-the-meaning-of-conservative.html#comment-16900 Jol Tue, 30 Oct 2007 20:20:42 +0000 http://aaron-ng.info/blog/what-the-heck-is-the-meaning-of-conservative.html#comment-16900 Good post. Good post.

]]> By: cc only http://aaron-ng.info/blog/what-the-heck-is-the-meaning-of-conservative.html#comment-16859 cc only Fri, 26 Oct 2007 06:28:09 +0000 http://aaron-ng.info/blog/what-the-heck-is-the-meaning-of-conservative.html#comment-16859 I agrees with what Lucky Tan had said (# Lucky Tan on 24 Oct 2007 at 7:22 pm). You must understand that even if the govt is very open, they must understand what most of their citizens are thinking. How much they can accept. I am not totally conservative. Although I am a half westernize guy, I am still an Asian, a Chinese. The level of tolerance that I can accept new things is still at the minimum. Regarding this issue, I believe that over doing a certain thing (by abolishing s337A) might cause nuisance to the society. The tricky thing is how much I can accept. I don’t discriminate gays. I respect them of what they are. However, I find it hard to accept their concept; and even harder to accept a gay environment. This incident is very similar to the casino project(have already pissed me off). I don’t want my son to live in a gambling den. (To have a casino is likely to “create” more gamblers). Obviously, I would not want my son to live either kind of environment. Thus, I don’t think it is fair to grade the government as “conservative”, they are still open. They are merely representing the view of the majority on this issue. This affects many people, you and me and our future generation. I opt for status quo. I agrees with what Lucky Tan had said (# Lucky Tan on 24 Oct 2007 at 7:22 pm). You must understand that even if the govt is very open, they must understand what most of their citizens are thinking. How much they can accept.
I am not totally conservative. Although I am a half westernize guy, I am still an Asian, a Chinese. The level of tolerance that I can accept new things is still at the minimum. Regarding this issue, I believe that over doing a certain thing (by abolishing s337A) might cause nuisance to the society. The tricky thing is how much I can accept. I don’t discriminate gays. I respect them of what they are. However, I find it hard to accept their concept; and even harder to accept a gay environment. This incident is very similar to the casino project(have already pissed me off). I don’t want my son to live in a gambling den. (To have a casino is likely to “create” more gamblers). Obviously, I would not want my son to live either kind of environment.
Thus, I don’t think it is fair to grade the government as “conservative”, they are still open. They are merely representing the view of the majority on this issue. This affects many people, you and me and our future generation. I opt for status quo.

]]> By: Hear ye! Hear ye! » Blog Archive » Of morals, rights and harm http://aaron-ng.info/blog/what-the-heck-is-the-meaning-of-conservative.html#comment-16855 Hear ye! Hear ye! » Blog Archive » Of morals, rights and harm Fri, 26 Oct 2007 02:32:32 +0000 http://aaron-ng.info/blog/what-the-heck-is-the-meaning-of-conservative.html#comment-16855 [...] I’ve pointed out in the previous entry, the term conservative is extremely loaded. So is the term morality. One man’s meat is [...] [...] I’ve pointed out in the previous entry, the term conservative is extremely loaded. So is the term morality. One man’s meat is [...]

]]> By: la nausee http://aaron-ng.info/blog/what-the-heck-is-the-meaning-of-conservative.html#comment-16851 la nausee Thu, 25 Oct 2007 16:51:36 +0000 http://aaron-ng.info/blog/what-the-heck-is-the-meaning-of-conservative.html#comment-16851 The label, "conservative", generally functions in 2 ways I think. First, it translates as, "These are my convictions, and I refuse to yield to any sort of reasons or arguments, no matter how sound and persuasive." A second function is as a form of taichi -- the average person who invokes the term "conservative", rarely professes to be a "conservative" himself or herself. It's usually 'other people' who are conservative... and so, one is again relieved from justifying one's own convictions. It's what called an 'information cascade' -- people decide based on what others think. The result is that the status quo is self-perpetuating, no matter how irrational it might be. The label, “conservative”, generally functions in 2 ways I think. First, it translates as, “These are my convictions, and I refuse to yield to any sort of reasons or arguments, no matter how sound and persuasive.”

A second function is as a form of taichi — the average person who invokes the term “conservative”, rarely professes to be a “conservative” himself or herself. It’s usually ‘other people’ who are conservative… and so, one is again relieved from justifying one’s own convictions. It’s what called an ‘information cascade’ — people decide based on what others think. The result is that the status quo is self-perpetuating, no matter how irrational it might be.

]]> By: Being conservative does not make a case for retaining 377A http://aaron-ng.info/blog/what-the-heck-is-the-meaning-of-conservative.html#comment-16849 Being conservative does not make a case for retaining 377A Thu, 25 Oct 2007 11:05:37 +0000 http://aaron-ng.info/blog/what-the-heck-is-the-meaning-of-conservative.html#comment-16849 [...] blog on this matter. He criticised the government on this matter in a humorous manner and then wrote about it again regarding conservative. Though not many Singaporeans are agreeable with repealing this piece of legislation, I am sure [...] [...] blog on this matter. He criticised the government on this matter in a humorous manner and then wrote about it again regarding conservative. Though not many Singaporeans are agreeable with repealing this piece of legislation, I am sure [...]

]]> By: Danielsg http://aaron-ng.info/blog/what-the-heck-is-the-meaning-of-conservative.html#comment-16847 Danielsg Thu, 25 Oct 2007 04:17:05 +0000 http://aaron-ng.info/blog/what-the-heck-is-the-meaning-of-conservative.html#comment-16847 Lucky Tan: If I were gay, I would definitely leave a society that has 377A. It simply contradicts what the govt say that they have a place & yet criminalise them. Those can might probably do so, unfortunately many cannot because they are not able and their heart and love ones are in Singapore. They had lived their life with 'the gun' at their heads so long that so many gays wouldn't 'dare' to be themselves and are conditioned that many marry a 'girl' to conform to the majority. Who lose out in the marriage? ALL but my pity goes to the girl and the kids. The women has won and got their 'rights' to the extents of Ms Thio wanting the same old discrimination done to the man. The 'conservative' shouldn't have granted the rights to woman when they demanded rights to their agendas after agendas? Ofcourse NOT! it's humanly right to let the right moral stands. unlike what sarek_home is trying to do. Keep377a(keep the gun) at the gays head and put them to jail for making 'disgusting' love in private because as she said... Sarek_home: I wonder how many people who support repealing 377A will also support homosexual marriage? Lucky Tan: If I were gay, I would definitely leave a society that has 377A. It simply contradicts what the govt say that they have a place & yet criminalise them.

Those can might probably do so, unfortunately many cannot because they are not able and their heart and love ones are in Singapore. They had lived their life with ‘the gun’ at their heads so long that so many gays wouldn’t ‘dare’ to be themselves and are conditioned that many marry a ‘girl’ to conform to the majority. Who lose out in the marriage? ALL but my pity goes to the girl and the kids.

The women has won and got their ‘rights’ to the extents of Ms Thio wanting the same old discrimination done to the man.

The ‘conservative’ shouldn’t have granted the rights to woman when they demanded rights to their agendas after agendas? Ofcourse NOT! it’s humanly right to let the right moral stands.

unlike what sarek_home is trying to do. Keep377a(keep the gun) at the gays head and put them to jail for making ‘disgusting’ love in private because as she said…

Sarek_home: I wonder how many people who support repealing 377A will also support homosexual marriage?

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