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Where’s the check and balance in deciding minsterial salary?
The more PAP ministers come out to defend the increase in minister’s pay, the more people are going to be unhappy (unless you are from the YPAP). Granted that the next general election might be quite some time away and I reckon the ministers are hedging the bet that the issue would be all but forgotten by then, it’s still not wise to create such a ruckus. After all, as the Chinese saying goes, å›å报仇,å年未晚 (translation: if a gentleman wish to exact revenge, it’s not late even after ten years). You would never know whether people are going to forget this.
That the PAP isn’t terribly good at PR is one thing, but I think the biggest problem with the entire issue is that we have no check and balance. When ministers make the decision to increase their own pay, who approves? The ministers are the ones approving. In a private company, the pay of the CEO is not approved by the CEO himself, but a board of directors. In the case of ministerial salary, where’s the “board of directors”?
Even with the board of directors, the NKF case has proven to be an instance where problems can still arise. What more when there isn’t one? I’m not about to insinuate that the government is corrupt or anything remotely close to that. What I’m questioning is how do we ensure accountability in deciding ministerial salary?
The idea of key performance indicators (KPIs) is widely used to benchmark performance against salary. The fundamental concept behind the KPI is that top performers get rewarded more monetarily, while poor performers get less. Why is it that KPIs are not even employed for ministers is a mystery (I may be assuming here, but if there indeed exist a KPI for ministers being computed by somebody, why not let people know about it?).
Singaporeans can buy the rhetoric that talented people should be compensated an amount that is commensurate, but what many Singaporeans cannot accept is the lack of transparency on the issue. Singapore takes pride in being non-corrupt and transparent, right? So why are Singaporeans not receiving information showing how talented the ministers are and therefore Singapore should pay them more? All that we are getting now is rhetoric without substance, which is why people are upset.
I personally have no issue with ministers getting another $1 million a year if they are worth that money. Heck, if they are so good, why stop at $1 million increase a year? I say give them another $3 million a year! However, please give me proof that the ministers are indeed worth this amount of money. If I am not satisfied that there’s sufficient justification for a pay increase, I won’t hesitate to fry this up this issue 5 years later.
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about 5 years ago
They cannot allow it, because it may take 59 man-hour years to check the figures and balance the spreadsheets. They try to get around this by providing the peasants with a few zillion tons of “nation-building” justifications.
Talent is subjective to who is defining it. They tend to use yardsticks that suit them. Remember that newspaper ranking by world standards is not important. And we are world-class this and that.
about 5 years ago
@John Doe,
I think that promises should not be broken, especially by a government. If the MOE teaches students taking Social Studies in Secondary 3 and 4 that “Transparency” is one of the “Principles of Good Governance”, it is very hypocritical to do something without showing the spreadsheets, figures and bureaucratic red tape to the public.
So what if it’s almost impossible to carry out?
about 5 years ago
Aaron,
Pls understand being a journalist in Singapore is the hardest job in the world. If you do not believe me go and ask any of our high flyers. Therefore, we have to continually deliver content. Remember content is king, that is why most ppl buy the ST.
As for world rankings I am sure you will all agree that is not an issue. Neither is it necessarily a poor reflection of the journalistic standard. Rather I like to believe, we should even take pride in the belief, we have deliberately not played the role of the fourth estate in Singapore, thereby contributed significantly to nation building.
about 5 years ago
Please list examples of what u define as nation building? As u say, content is king after all…
about 5 years ago
Hmmm…Actually it wasn’t Aaron that was shooting arrows at Singaporean journalists with this post. It was John Doe.
Hmmm… Ned… I tell you how the newspaper helps with Nation Building by giving two quotes from the Godfather.
Michael: Fredo, you’re my older brother, and I love you. But don’t ever take sides with anyone against the Family again. Ever.
Don Corleone: Never let anyone outside the family know what you’re thinking.
A careless whisper can destroy a nation.
about 5 years ago
Aaron,
all the thing that gov preach never apply to themselves. They are just one above the rest so will not apply to them.
Read the following case about Oliver Cromwell
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oliver_Cromwell
You will follow similarity between LKY and this guy. Oliver setup law and order like no celebration of christmas but this does not applies to himself. In the end, what happened ? Even when he die, he couldn’t rest in peace and need to stand trial !
about 5 years ago
Tat Boon,
I think you replied to the wrong entry. I don’t think I said anything about the media in this one.
about 5 years ago
David,
I know about Cromwell. It’s an interesting case.
I have no idea how we can ensure checks and balances on the system, other than having a viable alternative party. Unfortunately, Singaporeans in general seem content with the status quo.
about 5 years ago
perhaps tis is relevant:
http://www.amazon.com/Politics-Nation-Building-Citizenship-Singapore/dp/0415100526/ref=si3_rdr_bb_product/002-4536668-5768058
about 5 years ago
kpi? sure they have. the wishy-washy type:
gdp growth…
number of millionaires residing in sillipore (foreigners included)…
$xxx psf in orchard road ppties…
$xxx in fdi…
how about this next- x% in median income growth???
to hell with pappies, with their gst increase, shincorp fiasco, granite/sand sale impassess etc etc.
about 5 years ago
“Remember content is king, that is why most ppl buy the ST.”
I don’t want to be snide, but really, what are the alternatives? Do we have any other newspaper other than ST?
about 5 years ago
I read ST, especially those stories about government policies. I learnt much from the words of those stories. The words and the sentences are so politically correct. I use them as templates for my email replies to my clients and superiors. They just loved the way that they are written, so smooth.
Sometimes, I write to the government using the same templates, they thought that I am from another government agency.
Anyway, the dog needs the newspapers too, for sanitary purposes.
about 5 years ago
Stop being ridiculous. It is not without reason that salaries of ministers and presidents the world over are nowhere near millions. And the reason being not to entice the wrong people into govt no matter how talented they are, or (self) claim to be.
about 5 years ago
PAPanon alert!!!!! I think the comment before this belongs to a PAPanon.
about 5 years ago
Read this:
http://theonlinecitizen.com/2007/03/28/pap-and-the-people-a-return-of-disaffection-revisited/#more-266
Re – read
“The third outcome — and the most disheartening — is the bewilderment and disenchantment of the small pool of dedicated Singaporean volunteers in charity and community work, which will result in the pool becoming even smaller, firstly because these volunteers will now see very little in the way of inspiring example and secondly because they are unlikely to be replaced by a younger generation brought up on the raw economic imperative.”
about 5 years ago
I have a couple of interesting questions about ministerial salaries. Food for thought and open to discussion. Sorry Aaron if this is kinda out of point w.r.t. your entry.
1) What you think are our opposition politicians feeling when this “proposed” pay rise is announced?
I have not heard an opposition MP mention anything about the pay rise since it was proposed.
2) Is upping the salary (and causing a major ruckus on the Internet) a lesser evil than losing potential “leaders” (sorry if I use this word so loosely here)?
Well, perhaps you might say that ministers ought to be self motivated (by wanting to make a difference and yada yada) but seriously, I mean seriously, do you really see such a trend in ministers lately? Perhaps “carrying babies” (to quote young PAP) is part of their “job”. Being ministers is perhaps really just a “job”. How bad is that? Haha, running Singapore like Singapore Inc seems to work well. Not much humanistic feelings, but it works somehow, doesn’t it?
3) Ever thought why is it that politicians are paid less in other countries outside Singapore Inc.?
Was thinking along the lines of “coz they only serve a few years tenure (think US President), after which they will be out in the “private sector” earning much more (as ‘celebrities’ so to speak).??!!
Or maybe those paid peanuts (no pun intended) ends up having other means to earn more, and thus the corruption that is rampant (think Taiwan and Indonesia).
4) Be it a pay rise or not, there will still be black sheeps around. Durai who earns peanuts (pun intended) ends up siphoning funds anyway. So how? On the bigger picture do we still go ahead with the pay rise to “attract people into politics”? (I’m sure it makes sense that a “better” pay package surely will attract people to “work”)
p.s. I agree with many forumers around that transparency here is AGAIN the issue at hand. The KPIs and etc etc.
about 5 years ago
no i did not claim that silence is agreement.. but i do feel that if they come out and “reject” the pay hike will create a more salient impact.. no? (well perhaps not but that’s my opinion la)
which leads me to think.. the “pay rise” is “good” for them also in the sense that they will have more funds for their residents?!!.. albeit a warped way of looking at it.. ^_^
anyway while it might be illogical to relate high salaries to good governance.. a more attractive pay package will definitely “attract” more people.. no?
your comment that “those who’d work for glorious salaries will find some way to siphon funds wherever possible” sounds just as warped and illogical anyway.. lol..
about 5 years ago
well i’m not much of a academic writer so spare me from the “harvard” way of writing ^_^ .. (who cares about that anyway.. an opinion is an opinion be it written in slang, or in the more formal way lol)
well i will agree that it’s obsenely high.. but yah.. what impact it does to the bigger picture? yah.. it’s freaking high if you compare it to the middle-come stragglers.. it’s freaking high if you think of the hoo ha that the same group of people made (the $30 addition assistance for low-income earners).. it’s freaking high if you compare downwards.. but that’s not my point..
if singapore is to be run like a company (which in many cases i feel s0).. fundamentally more $$ draws more “talents”.. no? else why will large companies pay more to poach “talents” from other companies?
morality aside (and yes i do believe that there is a need for the government to have moral authority).. perhaps pragmatically (as we have always called the PAP) the pay rise thing kinda makes sense (which is just an alternative point of view).. that’s what i refer to..
and of course.. talents =/= leaders (that i very much agree).. but that’s a separate discussion..
about 5 years ago
i don’t quite understand your later posts (pardon me but i’m not THAT good with language ^_^ and perhaps i made some logic errors along the way) but anyway basically i just mean that there are few now who serve for the sake of serving..
and the whole situation can also be looked at in the $$$ sense.. albeit totally immoral (maybe).. totally inethical (perhaps)..
and i do agree that checks and balances should be in place.. and yah.. that’s why i was hoping for better debate (you can argue that it doesn’t help at all) from the opposition members..
about 5 years ago
no problem.. since you mentioned.. i hope i am seen as value neutral too.. anyway it’s been interesting talking over erm.. aaron’s comment column?!!? yah..
and pardon too if i over-simplify the situation..
about 5 years ago
dude.. replied you.. erm.. i don’t check back (or check my mail) THAT frequent..
about 5 years ago
Imelda’s collection of shoes is a subject of jokes and derison, but at least that could be explained as an example of going overboard in one’s shopping passion. More difficult to explain is her other lesser known collection of underwear – after all, who’s going to see her fabulous collection?
Similarly, it staggers one’s mind in trying to understand why Lee Kuan Yew is asking for more than the S$2.7 million he’s getting as a “mentor”. After all, there’s no need to pass on wealth to his children, as they are multi-millionaires 0n their own standing. At 83, it’s kind of hard imaging him splurging on Porsches, private jets or mistresses set up in different countries. Plus, Nicole Smith just died. So the man is just lusting for money for the sake of lusting after more money. If that’s not a sign of sickness, we don’t know what is.
about 5 years ago
“Remember content is king, that is why most ppl buy the ST.â€
I buy ST to look at the classifieds, and to line my rabbits’ hutch. For content, my reading material is BusinessWeek and Economist.
about 5 years ago
Kwokheng!!
Can you stop being such an arsehole online?!
about 3 months ago
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